EvC Forum: 100 Categories of Evidence Against Noahâ€™s Flood

{AbE: Oh, crap--I see Rahvin beat me to it. That guy is sure fast on his toes. Oh well, some of my points are different from his: I'll leave mine.}

antiLIE writes:

(3) Hydrologic forces (the suck and drag of rapidly moving water) would tend to sort out creatures of similar forms. Because of lower hydraulic drag, those with the simplest shapes would tend to be buried first.

Under this logic, you wouldn't expect simple, wormlike things to be found in the Cambrian strata (because they are streamlined and have low drag). But, there are wormlike things in Cambrian strata. And, there are things with "simple shapes" in higher strata.

antiLIE writes:

(4) Backboneless sea creatures (marine invertebrates), since they live on the sea bottom, would normally be found in the bottom strata.

But corals are found in all strata. In fact, they are more common in Ordovician through Silurian strata than in lower strata. How could this be? Corals can't run away or even detach from the bottom, yet most of them managed to remain unburied until the end of the Permian deposition.

antiLIE writes:

(6) Amphibians and reptiles would be buried higher than the fish, but as a rule, below the land animals.

First off, you realize that reptiles are land animals, right? Second, if fish float at the top of the water, how does anything get above them in the strata? As the water rises over the land, so do the fish, right?

antiLIE writes:

(9) Mammals and birds would generally be found in higher levels than reptiles and amphibians.

I don't see how you could back this one up.

antiLIE writes:

(11) In addition, the larger, stronger animals would tend to sort out into levels apart from the slower ones (tigers would not be found with hippopotamuses).

So, is the hippopotamus the "larger, stronger" one, or the "slower" one? The problem with this is that all strata in the geologic column have animals of all sizes and builds: there were small, fast-moving maniraptors and oviraptors at the same times and places as there were lumbering sauropods; there were nimble borhyaenids and fast-moving terror birds at the same times and places as there were glyptodonts and giant sloths; there were small, rodent-like mammals at the same time as there were tyrannosaurs and ceratopsians. This claim just is not upheld by the geological column. There isn't even a proportion-wise pattern that statistically leans toward this pattern you're suggesting.

antiLIE writes:

(10) Because many animals tend to go in herds in time of danger, we would find herd animals buried together.

You would also find them buried together under local floods, rockslides, volcanic eruptions, tarpits, meteorite impacts and any other number of local or global catastrophic phenomena. Carcasses could also be washed down a river and deposited at the delta, making it look like they were gregarious when they weren't. There is no way to link this concept to the Deluge, because it could have happened under any number of circumstances

antiLIE writes:

(13) Few humans would be found in the strata. They would be at the top, trying to stay afloat until they died; following which they would sink to the surface of the sediments and decompose.

This is complete anthropocentric hogwash: why would humans be struggling to survive while other animals weren't? Further, how could humans possibly stay afloat longer than sea turtles, seals, whales, tylosaurs, ichthyosaurs, hesperornithiformes, anomalocarids and ammonites? Let alone fish? All of these animals are found in lower sediments than humans.

antiLIE writes:

Eocene”First faster animals (such as horses) buried. No more slow animals (including dinosaurs).

This doesn’t make any sense. If the Flood is still going on in the Eocene strata, how come no more slow animals are getting buried? There are still slow animals alive today, after all: surely, if they could survive up until the Eocene deposition, and until today, they must have been able to survive midway between too, right?

antiLIE writes:

Mississipian”First land animals buried (slow ones, such as small reptiles).

My experience suggests that small reptiles are generally quite fast animals. Why aren’t there turtles or ankylosaurs in the Mississippian?

antiLIE writes:

Precambrian”Prior to the Flood. No sedimentary strata or fossils.

But, there are pre-Cambrian fossils and strata: the Ediacaran/Vendian strata have lots of interesting fossils for us to see.

I’m sorry, antiLIE, but the geologic column does not, by any stretch of the imagination, conform to this model. Half of your predictions are not seen in the geologic record, and the other half either support other models just as well as they support yours or are complete non sequiturs.

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