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Author Topic:   EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed - Science Under Attack
Rrhain
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Message 151 of 438 (463765)
04-19-2008 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Dr Adequate
04-19-2008 3:12 PM


Dr Adequate responds to randman:
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Eugenics was definitely influenced by Darwinism and played a significant role in Hitler and NAZI thinking. To deny this is silly.
And yet, strangely, true, or you would be able to argue against it rather than just calling it "silly".
There's a common question in introductory biology classes regarding the feasibility of eugenics.
Suppose there is a recessive trait.
Suppose that the homozygous recessive rate is 1 in 1,000.
Suppose that those who are homozygous recessive never reproduce.
How many generations would it take to have the appearance of homozygous recessive go from 1 in 1,000 to 1 in 1,000,000?
Directed breeding can do amazing things, but it takes too long to do anything real.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 152 of 438 (463766)
04-19-2008 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by randman
04-18-2008 7:22 PM


randman writes:
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my point on amorality is that there are no absolute morals for Darwinism.
That's because Darwinism is a piece of science, not philosophy.
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Absent of God, man makes up his own morals as he sees fit, and if he thinks it's fit to artificially select humanity's progress, who is to say he is wrong?
Two problems:
1) The direct answer is "man." Just because we're the ones making the rules doesn't mean the rules don't exist.
We're back to the Monopoly example. Monopoly is a completely man-made game. And yet, there are rules. You break them, you get punished. There are even "house rules." A common one is that all the money players have to pay when they draw a bad Chance or Community Chest card are placed under Free Parking. When you land on it, you get whatever money is there.
This rule has become so popular that it is now published in the official game as a variant.
Rules are rules no matter where they come from.
2) Nobody is an absolutist. Not even god. God breaks his own rules all the time. Christians certainly don't obey the rules laid out in the Bible.
"Absolute morality" is a fiction nobody engages in. Everyone is a relativist.
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I don't think it takes a genius to see how the Nazis drew inspiration from Darwinism.
Of course. But if you're going to claim that evolution is evil because of what the Nazis did, then you're going to have also claim that Christianity is evil because of what the Crusaders did.
See...there's that relativism coming up again....

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 193 of 438 (465178)
05-03-2008 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Buzsaw
05-03-2008 6:15 PM


Buzsaw writes:
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the Biblical record is the most concise, comprehensive, coherent and corroborated model for ID of any religion.
(*chuckle*)
Yes, we know you believe this, but the Bible is actually pretty silent on the matter. It simply says things came into being. Absolutely no mention of any methodology appears.
And what little phrases do pop up are in direct contradiction to observation:
The Bible says flowering plants appeared before insects, but the inverse is true.
The Bible says that if you mate rams in the shadows of rods, the offspring will be striped, but we know that this bizarre version of Lamarckism isn't true.
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The reason many Biblicalists work to disassociate their arguments from religion is that we must do so in order to expect any fora for airing our views.
You do realize that you just declared ID to be Christian theology and therefore has nothing to do with actual science, right?
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There's another reason, imo, which is that the mainstream YEC position of a young universe and young earth is neither logical, scientific or Biblical relative to a literal reading of Genesis one.
Since a literal reading of Genesis puts the origin of the universe at just under 6000 years ago, I fail to see how you can claim that this doesn't jibe with a "young universe and young earth."

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 197 of 438 (465221)
05-04-2008 3:24 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Taz
05-03-2008 11:49 PM


Paul Crouch, Jr./Stein interview
Do you mean this one, Taz:
Paul Crouch, TBN
Edited by Rrhain, : Changed title

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