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bertvan
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Message 264 of 309 (463857)
04-21-2008 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by Wounded King
04-19-2008 12:36 PM


Re: A general response
NeoDarwinism argues that biological innovation “just happens, accidentally, for no particular reason”. Then, according to NeoDarwinism, the only known materialistic theory of evolution, “natural selection” somehow turns a collection of these random genetic accidents into biological adaptations. However, no one has come up with even a hint at how natural selection might accomplish such a feat.
Intelligent design proposes that intelligence exists as an aspect of reality. We know humans have the ability to make reasoned, purposeful choices. The same ability to a more limited degree can be deduced in animals. Even single cultured cells display an ability to make simple choices. Swarm intelligence has been observed. Intelligent Design argues that living organisms adapt responsively, intelligently and purposefully. Random accidents in their genomes are defects, some of which are corrected by purposeful genomic mechanisms, but none turn into biological features.
As an agnostic, I don’t speculate about the origin of an organizing intelligence of nature, any more than I speculate about the origin of matter and energy. Only atheists fear the recognition of intelligence as an organizing force of living systems, because they cannot deny the possible involvement of some god in a non material process such as intelligent organization.
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bertvan
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From: Palm Springs California
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Message 268 of 309 (463885)
04-21-2008 5:41 PM


I was under the impreswsion that both Down's syndrome and sycle cell were defects. Firthermore, if genetic accidents, somehow turned into biological features by "natural selection" is a strawman, all you have to do is explain the real origin of biological features according to NeoDarwinism.
Edited by bertvan, : to add sycle cell

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bertvan
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Message 272 of 309 (463961)
04-22-2008 11:31 AM
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04-21-2008 6:22 PM


Some people have suggested that the color of the peppered moth is a matter of gene regulation. In any case gene regulation does exist. Tell me, do you believe the genes that regulate the expression of other genes also originated by accidental DNA copying errors (random mutation)?
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bertvan
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Message 276 of 309 (463987)
04-22-2008 1:08 PM


divine miracles or accidental miracles
"Look at it this way. It sure beats trying to get a miracle out of your god."
Sorry, I am an agnostic and don't have a god. A miracle is a miracle whether it happens by god or by random mutation. My alternative to miracles is an organizing intelligence innate to living systems, an intelligence no more miraculous than the intelligence that allows cells who know where to go and what to do during growth and development.

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