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PaulK
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Message 12 of 59 (463933)
04-22-2008 2:33 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Serdna
04-21-2008 10:18 PM


What you are demanding is that schools should not be allowed to teach any subject which comes into conflict with ANY religion.
However that is not what First Amendment law says. Actions which advance or detract from religion are permissable provided they serve a valid secular purpose. Science classes get a pass so long as they stick to science - because science education is considered a valid secular purpose.

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Message 32 of 59 (464051)
04-23-2008 4:05 AM
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04-22-2008 7:22 PM


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One of the most basic teachings of most christian faiths is that the earth was created in perfect balance and that the sin that the sin of man, originating from Adam, let to the downfall of creation including death.
No, that's not a "basic" teaching of Christianity. Most Christians reject it - only Young Earth Creationists endorse it.
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Obviously death is an essential part of the theory of evolution, however since it claims that humans evolved much later in the evolutionary time line after the death of innumerable living organisms. Hopefully you can see how these two time lines don't sync up.
But this is a fact that was known before the theory of evolution was formulated. Your problem is not with evolution, but with geology and paleontology. And there is simply no way that those subjects can viably be taught without encountering the facts that the Earth is very old, and that many animals lived and died before there were any humans on the scene.

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PaulK
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Message 36 of 59 (464128)
04-23-2008 2:19 PM
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04-23-2008 1:53 PM


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Your assumption that that belief in the original sin as the event that brought death into the world is something that only a tiny minority of christians believe is false and downright ridiculous. Listed Below are several bible verses that unequivocally support the belief of an original sin and the subsequent fall of creation through death and decay.
Some insist that it only applies to humans. A few suggest that the past was rewritten by Adam's sin. Nevertheless the belief is indefensible without the assumption of Young Earth Creationism, which is not endorsed by the majority of Churches.
I must also point out that your assumption that other Chrisitans must agree with you - while surprisingly common in Creationists - is unfounded and false. Many Christians do not accept the KJV as the best translation (and I must point out that the archaic language can be and is misunderstood and even an equally good translation in more modern English would be preferable).
I don't know why you assume that the Catholic encyclopedia will carry special weight for me, although of course it is a good resource for Catholic doctrine. And of course if that link actually supports your case, you should quote the relevant text, rather than expect me to read it all to find out if it even does support your assertion. It seems to thoroughly concentrate on the idea that Adam's sin caused humans to be subject to death:
The sin of Adam has injured the human race at least in the sense that it has introduced death -- "Wherefore as by one man sin entered into this world and by sin death; and so death passed upon all men".

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