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Rrhain
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Message 325 of 329 (46132)
07-15-2003 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 323 by Newborn
07-14-2003 12:06 PM


Newborn writes:
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When Adam and Eve sinned
What sin? The running around naked bit?
Since Adam and Eve hadn't eaten from the Tree of Knowledge, they couldn't possibly be guilty of sin as sin requires knowing the difference between good and evil and deliberately choosing to do evil. Adam and Eve hadn't eaten from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil when they ate from it, so they didn't know that what they were doing was wrong, just as they didn't know that running around naked was wrong.
Notice, the very first thing they do when they eat from the Tree is not immediately panic that they just did something wrong. No, the first thing they do is panic over being naked.
So is Original Sin actually simply being naked?
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Rrhain
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From: San Diego, CA, USA
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Message 328 of 329 (46487)
07-19-2003 4:30 AM
Reply to: Message 326 by Newborn
07-18-2003 8:26 PM


Re: answer
Newborn responds to me:
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Adam and Eve have free will.That is because they have soul and spirit.
Irrelevant.
Certainly Adam and Eve were capable of making a choice. The question is why should they be punished for their choices when they were incapable of understanding the consequences of their choices?
Remember, they hadn't eaten of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil yet and thus were unable to understand the point of not eating from that tree.
By what criteria were Adam and Eve supposed to listen to god and not the serpent? God says don't eat. The serpent says go ahead. How are Adam and Eve supposed to make an informed decision about which one to listen to? Especially since the serpent is saying that god is lying to them (and, as it turns out, god was lying to them...they didn't die that day and did, indeed, become as gods, knowing good from evil.)
Suppose I tell you that there are two types of actions in the world: Beetaratagang and clerendipity. One will gain you entrance to heaven. The other will send you to hell.
Which one do you choose? Beetaratagang or clerendipity? Come on, why are you hesitating? You have free will. You're an intelligent person. Make your choice!
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Is certain that the world was perfect at that time but they could choose to contuinue in that kind of world or to bring Sin(iniquity,corruption) to the world.
How can you sin if you don't know what you're doing?
Remember, Adam and Eve were sinning by running around naked. The very first thing they do upon eating of the Tree of Knowledge is panic over the fact that they are naked. When god calls out to them (um...why does god need to call them out of hiding?), they whine that they're naked.
But they weren't punished for being naked. Why? Because they were innocent. They didn't know that they were sinning and thus they cannot be held responsible for their actions.
If you have a valuable Mhing vase, do you put it on a wobbly pedestal in front of a toddler telling him not to touch? And do you really expect this infant to obey? And when you find your vase has been knocked over, do you kick the infant out of the house, never to return?
Or do you understand that a toddler is incapable of comprehending what it is you are telling him precisely because he is innocent and thus if you don't want your vase broken, it is up to you to put out of reach of the toddler?
Adam and Eve were set up.
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