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killinghurts Member (Idle past 5015 days) Posts: 150 Joined: |
This is the first post I have made on this forum so I guess I should quickly introduce myself. I am a software engineer, avid supporter of the scientific methodology and and see myself as agnostic. Three years ago I met and ended up marrying a lovely woman - we've been very happy together except....
My wife is a Jehovah's witness and she believes: a) The world is no older than 6000 years.b) There were once people who lived to the ripe old age of 900. c) God speaks to the Watch Tower (or more specifically through Jehovah's Witness' "anointed" ones) who in turn "educate" the followers. d) Blood transfusions are against the word of God, thus if any injury would result in the necessity of a blood transfusion she would *refuse* and die for her beliefs. The first two I'm not really concerned about, but it's the last two that have me a bit worried. I have been trying and trying to convince her to realise that the people in the watch tower are either devious or simpletons (or a combination of both). Recently she came home from one of her JW "meetings" and stated that they had a new "understanding" on a passage in the bible about how Jesus declared that there would be a time where a generation of people would never die. For those of you unfamiliar with the JW religion it will take a 10 second google search to understand what I'm talking about.What she fails to realise is that when the JW organisation is offering a new "understanding" what in fact is happening is the JW organisation is offering "excuses" to the logical argument that they were previously talking out of their arse. The fundamental problem here is that the organisation changes their views - so my argument is - if the previous "understanding" was in fact wrong, how do we *know* the new understangin isn't. Her reply to this (as always) goes straight back to the bible: Proverbs 4:18 "But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established." So it's here in the logic that I am stuck. To me the above quote lets JW's pretty much change ANYHING they want to "interpret" from the bible. Secondly I love my wife and if something happens where she requires a blood transfusion, I would blame myself for not being able to enlighten her in the purity of lateral, logical and sane thinking. Thanks in advance.
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killinghurts Member (Idle past 5015 days) Posts: 150 Joined: |
Thank you for the advice, and apologies for the late reply.. my time is limited these days.
On the blood issue, my wife quotes these passages: Genesis 9:4Leviticus 17:14 Leviticus 7:26 book of acts 15:28,29 acts 21:25 Another thing is that her grandfather died of septicemia (sp?) after a blood transfusion so she's pretty much made her mind up. I understand that it his her choice, and it's up to her.. but I see the decision as being incredibly selfish one, simply because the price payed for such a decision is the ultimate, a decision that would be incredibly hard to accept as a husband, also for our child. All this because a few people once wrote that in a book, a book that we have no hard evidence to support. We can argue hours on the validity of the bible, but in the end there are no facts to support it, no material evidence of a spiritual world, or even extra dimensions (yet). Until that time it I think it would be wrong to base such a hefty decision on such little valid information. It's just insane.One thing I was looking for was some statisitcs on the number of successful blood transfusions versus unsuccessfull transfusions resulting in death. I can't seem to find this information anywhere on the net - anyone else know where I can find that?
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killinghurts Member (Idle past 5015 days) Posts: 150 Joined: |
I don't think I'm ever going to change her mind. Hell, even the JW's change their "understanding" on things more often than I change my underwear, so what hope do I have? One person against an entire organisation, the odds are pretty slim.
Anyway we got into an argument about it yesterday, (well at least I wasn't arguing, she was) and it turns out she doesn't wan't to speak about it anymore... so I guess that's that. Actually it seems everytime we get to the point where the rational thought breaks down, it ends up in a mess. Thanks for the suggestions though, maybe they will help someone else who is in my position. I think there are two thinks that make people believe in this tripe: a) Being poor.b) Being alone. Without those two, the organisation can't trap the minds of the weak.
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killinghurts Member (Idle past 5015 days) Posts: 150 Joined: |
No it's not my opinion, they were once specifying a truth - a truth that to them was absolutly undeniable - as undeniable as gravity itself, anyone who questionoed the truth (which is excatly what I and others did *before* they changed it) would be told that they themselves don't understand the teachings..
They then changed what that truth was. And was there any questioning afterward? No. Was their any indication of investigation onto why they were wrong in the first place? No. Are they right now? Who knows? Can they make up anything they like? Yes. Here is my opinion (seeing as though you asked so nicely) - It's easy to see why they changed it - millions of people who were told that "this generation will not die" are now dead. To me it seems a tiny bit coincidental the story they came up with changed the definition of a "generation" to one that didn't put a timeframe on the event.
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killinghurts Member (Idle past 5015 days) Posts: 150 Joined: |
quote: That's the second miscommunication we have had in two posts. I wasn't talking about my wife, I was talking about the Watch Tower. Let's stop before it gets messy hey?
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killinghurts Member (Idle past 5015 days) Posts: 150 Joined: |
quote: 1) You cannot make a blanket statement like that. For instance, my grandfather was on his way to being a catholic priest until his wife (my grandmother) came along and helped him realise what a crock of shite the whole thing was. 2) I knew she was a Jehovah's witness, that's fine, I did *not* know Jehovah's witnesses were against blood transfusions, and they she would (one year after we married) sign a form (given to her by JW's) declining any form of blood transfusion. Are you saying that is my fault?
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killinghurts Member (Idle past 5015 days) Posts: 150 Joined: |
We do have kids. And it is sticky.
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killinghurts Member (Idle past 5015 days) Posts: 150 Joined: |
Hi guys, I don't think there's anything more that I can offer to this topic. I think I'll take the advice a few of you have said and love her for who she is and what she believes in.
Hey at least we will never be stuck for things to talk about
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