Biblical Translation—Eden, 3

bertot: I think the context in which the phrase "Every imagination of thier heart was continuosly Evil" appears, is quite different than the context of "commands" designed to promote "social harmony, individual and social respect, and a general health of a relatively health community. Teaching a health child how to think in a socially responsible manner will not only impact the child's wellbeing, but the wellbeing of the community as well. It is my opinion that Ex. 20:17 is God providing His children that guidance--healthy thoughts=healthy choices=healthery actions.That is what I perceive here.All the best,
GerP.S. I submitted for a New Thread. Now we just have to wait for Admin.

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I personally perceive this command as pertaining to both "thought" and "action." Or, "a thought" which will inevitably lead to "an action."

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The first cannot be correct, namely when thought stands by itself, it is not a sin or a crime, under any perspectives. A thought, whether in the mind or the heart, is one's personal space, where one examines and then decides to act. One who steals bread, is accounted one crime, not two, becayse he also thought of stealing. Often, thoughts are involuntary, and at other times, one makes a decision not to commit a crime.The manipulation to convert an OT law is based solely on a motivation, because the NT makes a thought as a sin. It is incorrect, and this error is not contained in the OT. Of coz, all coherence is irrelevent in such a case. Reason and belief are mutually exclusive syndromes.

IamJoseph:

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AM wrote:The Hebrew term chamd denotes desire & taking pleasure in. The verb chamd in the context of Ex. 20:17 and Deut. 5:18 appears to refer to inordinate, ungoverned, selfish desire, which is followd by one's choice to take another mans wife. I personally perceive this command as pertaining to both "thought" and "action." Or, "a thought" which will inevitably lead to "an action." "An inordinate, ungoverned, selfish thought", that if left ungoverned will in fact lead to "an unwarented choice and socially disruptive action."

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That is how I read it.

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I am fully alive to what you are stating here: I do not believe that the verb chamd denotes a "thought standing by itself" in the context in which it is used. I personally perceive chamd as denoting taking pleasure in which implies the concept of "personal action." The chamd to which I perceive the author as indicating is where thought & action occure simutaneously, and without such a thought no such action would follow.Do you see what I am trying to point out?
Ger

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Let me put this as plainly as I can. Will you please "shut up" about the New Testamnt, I NEVER brought it up until you did in this discussion.

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You think its a co-incidence - it just happens to also be a fulcrum law in the NT? It is blatant that christians regard the OT laws as negated and not applicable anymore, wth the placebo of the term 'fullfilled'. How can one fullfill what they never observed? There are numerous posts in this very thread that says the 10 C's are negated. Last time I checked the judiciary laws, they are the most active laws among all scriptures. The NT has made blatant errors and false charges, and its means to negate the OT laws failed. Aside from Islam upholding the majority of laws rejected by the gospels, all of the christian world's institutions turn by the OT laws.Today, any person or nation which does not follow the OT laws - is acting outside the law. This is the best proof which are God's laws. There are now christian groups who are rejecting sunday as the day off, and debating over the replacement of the Sabbath being restored. What's all this telling you - if not that the OT sages were right, and they transcend the NT apostles and scholars hands down?I understand it is unreasonable to expect you to concede this debate of trying to distort an OT law to conform to the gospels, which is a fair reason to cease its continueing.Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

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I personally perceive this command as pertaining to both "thought" and "action." Or, "a thought" which will inevitably lead to "an action."

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You will find I said the same. When one considers the meaning of 'which will inevitably lead to "an action", this refers to states of planning and implementing measures which anticipates the action decided upon. And yes, you placed 'and' adjoining the thought, which is the correct defining of the term covert', namely it is more than a thought.Of course, I'd like someone to explain how one's thoughts can be identified - a pre-requisite before one can deem it a sin. With the later, the notion, but God knows what one thinks' is a runaway of the desperate. What God knows is not in doubt or question, but God wants humans to judge and know the difference between right and wrong.Another resultant contradiction here is, if the OT laws are regarded passe, why look for a law in the OT to back one in the NT?

IamJoseph:I would really like to continue here, but I am beginning to fade away; its time for bed.A mere thought is neither a sin or a crime, in my opinion. I am happily married, but at time a lovely young woman walks by and I admire her beauty. I do not covet or desire this lovely young woman. I look at her as nothing more than a beautiful woman. My wife is the woman of my dreams and I know her beauty that never ages.A though is not a crime.Good night,
Ger

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