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Miguel
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Message 1 of 50 (46551)
07-20-2003 2:53 PM


If atheists say thay God doesn't exist, why are they always talking about him?
Just curious...
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Miguel
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Message 3 of 50 (46559)
07-20-2003 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by NosyNed
07-20-2003 2:58 PM


Alright. I won't generalize. But it's a general fact that atheists deny the existence of God. So i'll try to start a debate from here...
I don't understand why atheists deny the existence of a creator. They don't know that God doesn't exist. They just believe. Sure, they use all kinds of logical arguments, but logic is just the study of the internal coherence of the speech. Sometimes an argument can be valid (with internal coherence) but without reality. When i look to logical arguments, although i don't think they are a proof, it seems to me that the arguments that say that nature as a rational structure, structured by a creator, are better when compared to what atheism has to say...
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Miguel
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Message 8 of 50 (46598)
07-20-2003 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by crashfrog
07-20-2003 3:52 PM


Crashfrog:
That depends on what you consider to be evidence...
Even an appendix with no specific function obeys the laws of nature. The same laws that are responsable for the structure of the universe, and that our reason can understand...
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Miguel
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Message 9 of 50 (46600)
07-20-2003 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by NosyNed
07-20-2003 4:17 PM


NosyNed:
Well, no one as ever seem one species becoming another through Slow darwinian processes. The evidence they have is indirect... The same goes for God... However in both cases acceptance depends on your will to consider the indirect evidence. And in both cases i admit that the indirect evidende might not be an absolute proof.
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Miguel
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Message 10 of 50 (46603)
07-20-2003 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by crashfrog
07-20-2003 5:28 PM


Crashfrog:
Our world has rules, and we exist and evolved because that was possible in the first place. But why are so many properties of the universe fine-tuned for life? Why are there so many coincidences that make our existence possible? Do you have an answer? Let me guess: you are going to say that i'm reasoning backwords. But that's not really an explanation..
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Miguel
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Message 19 of 50 (46653)
07-21-2003 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by crashfrog
07-20-2003 9:01 PM


Crashfrog:
Basically you say that i'm reasoning backwords. I predicted your answer . And again i say, that this is not really an explanation... But i never said that the fact that the universe is fine-tuned is an absolute proof that God did it... But it makes me wonder...
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