Let's discuss Bill O'Reilly

I would say US confronted Sadaam, not invaded Iraq. Sadaam invaded Kuwait.

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Theres no need to do anything else. Why give these morons the attention they want?

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Why should we waste our airtime with these conspiracies? Most educated people see them for what they are, lies.

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I disagree. In fact, the real WMD, which has thus far taken more lives than any bombs, are the condoning by silence, of horrific falsehoods. Its not free speech - that is why holocaust denial is a crime in many countries. You will find that witholding information or knowledge which negates a false charge, is a crime in all bona fide judiciaries.My position is, the Vatican and the Danish people failed miserably by not pointing out the horrific racism and disrespect of other religions, and blatant falsehoods paraded in the islamic world as history, and showing rage over a satirical cartoon, murdering nuns, destroying churches and business' all over the world. Such silence is deadly. Thus i say to those anti-American cowards:SHOW ME YOUR RESUME!Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

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how have the last 4 years been when the death toll of US soldiers is now +4000?

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The war was won; terrorism, suicide bombings of marketplaces, mosques and hospitals and guerella warfare, is a totally different paradigm: this was exposed later as a global syndrome. You will find even a nation like India - which was so historically generous to muslims, giving two countries [Pakistan & Bangladesh] - is today experiencing horrific terrorism of its civilians in schools, temples and trains - so what hope is there for anyone else? Let's blame Bush, America and Israel - this is the sum total of the Dems and Libo maniacs.However, I agree not a single US life should have been expended: Bush should have gone directly to the Saudi and Egyptian Regimes 9/12, and Gitmo should be housing these WMD evil regimes today. The entire Regime, including its concubines, 15 years up; and compensation in the trillions. But this is hardly what the dumb Dems are saying!

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Someone like O'Reilly would never get on UK TV. We had an outspoken TV presenter called 'Kilroy'. He had a show that addressed current affairs and said something along the line of the rubbish O'Reilly spouts and bam!

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Its getting even a sadder situation in UK-stan. One day, the likes of Brits will never be allowed on UK-stan TV.

Those countries you mention are also doing bad things to their people, and we should also try to change it - before focusing on the Ozone layer. But those countries, including the chinese mafia ruling a billion people, are not saying you are an infidel and must be killed. Its not what you say, but what you don't say which impacts here. The resume is still blank on the fulcrum issue - this is cowardly and false.There was a war against terrorism, and Sadaam was a terror sponsor and promoter, responsible for 100s of 1000s of deaths inside and outside Iraq; the belated WMD is an excuse, and does not define the war on terror. The world owes a debt to America, now and in her past wars. Today, Europe is changing its past, cowardly and corrupt deeds by waking up to Iran - because they realise the target is not just Israel - else they would, as is their history - hide in their bunkers and shout VE VERE NOT AVARE.I say, by all means allow Mosques to be greater in number than churches in Europe. But not so if churches, synagogues and temples are banned and desecrated in muslim states; likewise allow immigration - but not when this is not reciprocated. If one's resume is blank here, there is no credence in yelling against America.The notion that America was bored and decided to INVADE Iraq one day is a paradigm dangling in fantasy land. The notion of justifying that fantasy by siting other bad regimes is a desperate deflection. You are saying let's not confront murderers because there are other murderers. I gave you clear examples that even the most generous nation of India, is facing this terrorism today. The reasons have nothing to do with INVASION - unless it is positied the other way around.Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

How many Brits have been allowed to immigrate to Islamic states? How many chruches in UK as opposed Iran and Mecca? The term UK-stan is hardly my innovation, but adapted from British authors, including books such as LONDONISTAN. 2.8% of terror can do worse than 80% of non-terror populations.UK has bowed to allowing sharia to rule its institutions, and be assured the same will not be accorded to Brits in muslim states. Reciprocity must rule. False excuses and not facing truth does not turn a falsehood into truth.

I say, UK should demand reciprocity, and not let democrasy and free speech be used as a weapon by those who are given citizenship. If you look at the situation in Kashmir, for example, muslims can immigrate and be Indian citizens, enjoying total freedom of religion. But Indians cannot immigrate to muslim Pakistan or have religious freedom in muslim states. Result: a one way traffic influx in kashmir, and thus, confidently, the muslim population is demanding a vote [suddenly, democrasy is not bad!], by the majority, as a means of stealing more land from the Indian sub-continent, while this scenario cannot effect muslim states.This can destroy UK, and it is based in a total lack of reciprocity. Democrasy cannot prevail in the absence of reciprocity.

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I consider that such plurality is a good thing. Only you could interpret it as a sign of impending doom.

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I agree. Even more so when there is reciprocity. How many churches in Mecca?melanie is a gem. The UK media and its journalists are akin to al jazeera, and have lost numerous court actions, when many more on the way, and almost monthly apologies from the BBC and Guardian when their discrepensies are highlighted by other media - such as melanie, who gives it back nicely. You won't find UK journos demanding a boycott of any Islamist media or universities - and this is not because they cannot find any reason to.The boycott of Israeli academics and universaties, was lost in a disgrace - but I wish it went ahead: Britain would be the loser. Israel is today the foremost high-tech and medicine innovator on the planet. of coz, I say all this to save Britain, being raised on that culture. But the pre-fix of great cannot be restored the direction she goes now.A good name is better than oil.Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

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Has it never occurred to you that a Muslim is leaving his country to go to Kashmir because they've a;ways preferred Democracy and know they can't get it at home?

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Its not going to kashmir which is the problem; its the demand for another state from India - that is the issue. Its about tossing grenades in schools, terrorists dressing as Indian policemen, and then massacreing all the children running to them for safety. That is not about wanting democrasy, and you do not really help muslims by slanting it as you do.Better, you advocate the tossing out of mafia regimes enslaving and corrupting the muslim populations, set up by Britain - for 30 barrels of oil. Britain boasting democrasy at home, but supporting and fostering it in the M/E is one great sham, and this makes UK the absolute enemy of muslims when the surpressed facts are uncovered.Further, democrasy and freedom fighters must start at home - not in India.

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You're operating under the premise that all Muslims are evil, terrorist, America/Democracy haters who only do anything if it will undermine the stability of whatever region of the world they're in. Most Muslims are pretty much the same as most Christians, Jews or anyone else. They want a good home, a chance to be prosperous and take care of their family, and not to be hassled by idiotic people with myopic views of the world.

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This is not the case anymore. Of coz, you cannot say I or America hates all muslims. Who is chanting death to you infidel? Who is calling democrasy an evil? who is saying jews are born of apes and a duty to kill: jews, not even any particular ones - and not a whimper from democratic British journalists.Critical mass applies, and a good majority of muslims has to show itself in real times: naming its mass murderers by 'names', as opposed treating them like neo-prophets, and qualifying everything as equal, and all terror is bad.Britain must come clean, and cleanse the mess of purposeful devide and cnquer, and leave 'em devided and ever fighting, she left all over the planet. For a start, she should stop calling a deathly 3-state in Palestine as a 2-state for peace, and recall the declarations she made before the whole world:'IT WILL BE AN HISTORIC COMPROMISE FOR PEACE TO GRANT TWO STATES IN PALESTINE - ONE FOR THE JEWS AND ONE FOR THE ARABS' - Churchill.Perhaps Britain needs a calculator and a history book. Of coz, even the creation of Jordan, the first 2-state, which carved out 80% of the small land allocated for jews, was one great attrocity, perpertrated when the jews were at their most helpless. If none are game to correct Britain, perhaps a greater force will do that - and use the same weapon planned against the jews: overwhelming her with a population which is clearly hell-bent on declared genocide. As if Britain does not know. Perhaps the terms like Londonistan and Britainistan, coined by melanie, are signs and omens?

Spellcheck time? Do you know what democrasy is and were it comes from? Not from the greeks, and it does not mean, following a multitude.But you never responded to the factor of reciprocity, which remains critical aside from how it is spelled. One cannot read democratic laws to a wild dog charging at you with the limbs of one's kin in its jaws. I am not simply trying to win a point or prove myself wiser than you - but democrasy does not subsist w/o agreed reciprocation. Think about that if truth is the pursuit.The difference between O'reilly and CNN is, the former includes the plight of Jewish refugees from arab lands - which are far greater than all the arab refugee claims combined [UN archives] - and CNN's never ending hype of the world's least important grievience.

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It shouldn't be any surprise to you that Bill O'Reilly is getting attacked by everybody on this forum

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And America and israel are the great satans, Bush is worse than Hitler - and Bin Laden is the neo prophet of the day. I'm not attacking - I'm defending what is truth. You like a no debate zone when it does not suit? Whatever happened to the truth will set you free - or call you to account? Sometimes, remaining neutral can be a greatest crime of all.'YOU SHALL NOT FOLLOW A CORRUPT MULTITUDE'.

I concede my spelling mishap. I contend that not wanting to immigrate and not being able to are different paradigms. And silence of this lack of reciprocity to Britain is not a great thing, nor a reason to attack me for pointing it out; in fact the situation is now globally pervasive. The post must transcend the poster, and I find your response inadequate to the issue.Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

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in an effort to counter the racial bigotry of O'Reilly,

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Namely?