Let's discuss Bill O'Reilly

IamJoseph writes:

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Foxnews succeeded because it clearly made a mockery of CNN

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Except CNN still regularly beats Fox.Fox's audience is composed pretty much of the same two million people. They watch early and they watch often.CNN, however, has a larger audience. They don't watch for as long, but they turn to CNN before they turn to Fox.And in the current election cycle, CNN has been whipping Fox's ass. This is pretty much the same thing that happened back in 2003 during the coverage of the invasion of Iraq:When people want actual news, they turn to CNN, not Fox. Even among Fox's constituency, self-described "very conservative" viewers, they turn to CNN for news. They only watch Fox to listen to the shouting.Of course, there's a bigger problem: Those who watch Fox tend to come away believing things that are demonstrably untrue.And, of course, the network news shows blow all the cable shows away. O'Reilly would kill to have the viewership of the CBS Evening News, the worst-watched network news show on television.

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Rrhain

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IamJoseph writes:

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that is what the Libo's and Dems do - that is why they have *BLANK* resumes against the real baddies.

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Ahem. Who do you think was in charge of the administration during WWII?Ooh! That's right! The liberals! The Democrats! And we won that one while maintaining the New Deal. We raised taxes to pay for it. And we ushered in economic prosperity, too.By the way: Just who do you think "the real baddies" are? It certainly isn't Iraq. When was the last time Fox had any segment regarding bin Laden and his continued presence in Afghanistan/Pakistan? When was the last time Fox covered the expansion of Al Qaeda, which is now a larger organization than they were before we invaded Iraq?Why is it that the conservative Republicans have cut off funding to try and find bin Laden and bring down Al Qaeda? Are you saying they aren't the "real baddies"?

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The war on terror - not militants - is that-a-way from CNN.

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So why was it everybody tuned to CNN when we invaded Iraq? Why was it everyone tuned to CNN to watch the towers fall.In the world of cable, CNN is the channel people turn to for news, not Fox.

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Rrhain

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IamJoseph writes:

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Yes. Critical mass applies.

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Indeed.And since nobody of any consequence ever claimed that the terrorist attacks were an American/Zionist plot, we should not be surprised to find that legitimate news organizations paid it no heed while sensationlist enterprises like Fox in general and O'Reilly in specific decided to go with it.Bill O'Reilly Meltdown ResurfacesSeriously...what sort of media professional doesn't know what "play us out" means?

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Rrhain

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IamJoseph responds to me:

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The Libs 50 years ago and today are two different animals.

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Indeed. The Cons have so shifted the political discourse to the right that there is no such thing as "liberal" in the United States. There is only "not quite as conservative."

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Better you examine what other countries did to their prisoners if you want to retreat 50 years

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We're not talking about other countries. We're talking about the United States.Torture was OKed by conservatives, not liberals.

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If you know history, 9/11 was a 100 times worse than 12/7

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Says who? Surely you're not going to do something stupid and simply compare body counts, are you?

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and Bush showed unbelievable restraint.

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Huh? What are we doing in Iraq if Bush was showing restraint? Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks.

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In many countries, this broadcaster would be banned and be on trial.

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Indeed. If O'Reilly were to be broadcasting in the UK, he'd be in jail on slander charges so fast it would make his head spin. Fortunately for him, we have the First Amendment, no matter how much he, like the conservative movement in general, hates the Constitution.

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The past 30 years not invading Iraq was the crime.

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Huh? We were the ones who installed Hussein in Iraq. It was the conservatives that did it. Ronald Reagan, George Bush I, and Donald Rumsfeld were the ones. Are you saying that they made a mistake? Are you saying they're liberal?

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You forgot to say the UN issued 17 Resos, the issue was WMD

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You forgot that the inspectors had complete access to everything, any time they wanted, including surprise inspections and were reporting back that there was nothing to find.All intelligence out of Iraq said there were no WMDs, no program to create them.

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That France and many European states hid under its bunkers again

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Huh? You mean behaving like adults and not invading a country unprovoked, especially a country that was battered and beaten, couldn't mount a defense, and was of absolutely no threat is "hiding"?Is that the only way you can justify yourself? Kicking puppies?

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due to the oil scandal

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Huh? You mean the oil-for-food scandal that the United States was participating in?

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a crime those countries also perpertrated with not going to Vietnam against Stalinist communism

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Huh? So when Vietnam kicked out France, it was because France was engaged in a "crime" but when Vietname kicked out the US, it was because we were...what, exactly?

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it was primarilly Europe's war and responsibility.

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Then what, precisely, were we doing in Southeast Asia? If it wasn't our war and wasn't our responsibility, why did we send so many Soldiers to die in vain?Oh, yes...it was a Democrat who got us involved. So choose your words carefully...you just said that it was a crime not to go into Vietnam. So that must mean that JFK's and Johnson's entry into Vietname were the noble things to do and Nixon's withdrawal that was the crime.When you figure out what your argument is, please let us know.

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Your statement of ridicule US *INVADED* Iraq

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What was it if not an invasion? Iraq posed no threat and had not attacked. It is our troops in their country having found themselves there at the end of guns, overthrowing their government and taking over.How is that not "invasion"? If it had happened in reverse, which you seem to think is an imminent threat, if it had been Hussein that had launched attacks on the US unprovoked, sent troops onto our soil, captured our President, and sent him to his death, what would you call it?

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If you forgot which channel exposed 50 sleeper cells in US

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(*chuckle*)You really believe that, don't you?By the way, the latest study of how informed people are by the source of their news just came out.Fox News is no longer in last place. They're ahead of "Network morning shows" and behind "Local TV News."Number 1?The Daily Show/Colbert Report.

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Rrhain

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IamJoseph responds to me:

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Where have you been hiding.

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In reality where surfaces don't have volumes.Where are your sources? You're the one making the claim, therefore you're the one that needs to prove it.Exactly who other than the tinfoil hat brigade was saying the terrorist attacks were a government/zionist plot?By the way: To take such a claim seriously would damage your insistence that we should have gone into Iraq. If the terrorist attacks had nothing to do with Iraq, if they were, indeed, a government/zionist plot, then there was absolutely no reason to invade Iraq.Why would Fox be taking seriously claims that undermine their stated reasons for invading Iraq?

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Rrhain

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IamJoseph responds to me:

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I'd say, US would be the least involved in torture of any war/terror scenario today.

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Irrelevant. We're not supposed to torture people. We're supposed to be the good guys, remember?

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How about a few degrees lower than a nuke attack in America's heartline, aimed at civilians only - as opposed the military base in PH?

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Why does that make it worse? Soldiers' lives aren't important?And "nuke attack"? Surely you're comparing an airplane to a nuke, are you?

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Hussain was engaged in a nuke program,

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Incorrect. There was no nuclear program. If you have evidence, bring it forward. Your claim, your burden of proof.Given that Bush, himself, has directly stated that there was no nuclear program in Iraq, how are you going to reconcile your claim that he's right with his claim that you're wrong?

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and was an Al Qaiada in process.

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Incorrect. There was no link between Al Qaeda and Iraq. If you have evidence, bring it forward. Your claim, your burden of proof.Given that Bush, himself, has directly stated that there was no connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq, how are you going to reconcile your claim that he's right with his claim that you're wrong?It is irrelevant to insist that Hussein was an evil dictator. By this logic, we should have invaded China and Russia and North Korea by now. But, we haven't. Are you saying it is a crime that we haven't?

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It has no connection with the terrorism and regime attrocities which emerged when the cold war was over.

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Who do you think we were funding in Afghanistan's fight against the Soviets?That's right: Osama bin Laden.And why did Osama bin Laden attack the United States?Because we had a base in Saudi Arabia.How does one come to the conclusion that these things are not connected?

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In the pivotal stages, the inspectors left in disgust

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Irrelevant. They went back. At the time Bush declared the invasion, the inspectors were in Iraq and televised the destruction of missiles that violated the disarmament treaty.You seem to think that 2003 was identical to 1998. Are you seriously claiming nothing changed?

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Why is US not attacking other *PUPPIES*?

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Yes. Iraq had no army to speak of, no defensive capabilities, and no WMD program. There were as defenseless as puppies. Why do you think it was a good idea to kick it?

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And unprovoked?

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Iraq had not attacked the US. Why, then, did we invade? How is that not the precise definition of "unprovoked"?

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Maybe there is no terrorism anywhere

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Huh? There isn't a murder taking place in your room right now, I would presume. Does that mean there are no murders taking place anywhere?Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks. So why did we invade? Why not Saudi Arabia? After all, most of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

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Yes. And you made remarkable use of the term 'participating' here.

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Since the US was part and parcel of the oil-for-food scandal, how do we justify complaining about our partners in it?

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France & Europe had every obligation to confront communism

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So it was good for France to get involved in Vietnam? And when they kicked out the French, it was because France was engaged in a "crime" but when they kicked us out, it was because we were...what, precisely?Now explain why the US invaded Iraq, a country that was no threat, had not attacked us, and was not producing anything that could be considered a threat or used as an attack.

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Yes, # 1 in cable news.

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That'd be CNN.

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Rrhain

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IamJoseph responds to me:

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billions of europeans and muslims hold it as a fact 9/11 was a US/Zionist fix.

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Prove it. Names, dates, full quotes in complete context, please.Hint: There aren't a billion Europeans in the first place.Hint: Just because Fox says there are lots of people who believe it doesn't mean there are.

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Rrhain

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Taz responds to onifre:

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And I care because...?

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To paraphrase what Data said to Pulaski:One is his name.The other is not.

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Rrhain

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Latest O'Reilly missives:Syracuse University professor Boyce Watkins, in an effort to counter the racial bigotry of O'Reilly, started petition drives and email campaigns against Fox News' sponsors. O'Reilly got pissed and sent Porter Berry, a producer, to ambush Dr. Nancy Cantor, the Chancellor of Syracuse University. Sayeth Bill: And what did Berry try to play gotcha with? But, here's what O'Reilly said on February 19 on his radio program: And even more telling, O'Reilly hyped a story of two men "acting suspiciously" on a Seattle ferry last year. It seems that passengers saw a couple of men on a ferry taking pictures and the FBI asked the Seattle media outlets to publish their photos so that they could be tracked down. The Seattle Post-Intelligencer refused since there were no charges.O'Reilly sent another producer, this one named "Jesse" to the home of the publisher of the SP-I, demanding to know if he was "proud" of that decision as, according to Bill nad Jesse, the two men had never been found: Problem with that: The two men were businessmen from Europe on a business trip to Seattle. Doing as many business travellers do when they have some free time, they went sight-seeing and took pictures of each other on the ferry.How do we know this? Because the two men decided weeks ago to go to the US embassy and identify themselves as well as turn over the pictures they took.So not only did O'Reilly get everything about this story wrong, he deliberately decided to terrorize his audience, claiming that they were under imminent threat of attack......because some tourists decided to take a couple of holiday snaps. Apparently all cameras will need to be registered with the government.O'Reilly is also trying to continue his smear campaign of MSNBC by claiming that GE, the owner of MSNBC, is doing buisness with Iran: But here's the problem: Draeger isn't owned by GE. It is an independent company. Draeger was contracted by Iran to build a pipeline surveillance system. In carrying out that contract, Draeger purchased software written by a subsidiary company of GE's. That software has both civil and military uses and export restrictions apply.Those restrictions were not handled properly when Draeger, which has no connections to GE, sold the system (including the software) to Iran. And when Draeger found out about it, they notifed the US authorities.So why is Bill saying that GE is the one doing this? For a while there (and it might still be the case, I'm not sure), the Sony Playstation 2 was considered a "supercomputer" and export restrictions applied. You could not sell them in or to Iraq.Now, suppose Wal-Mart opened up a branch in Baghdad and put the PS2 on the shelves.Is Sony to blame for Wal-Mart taking the shipment and sending it off to Iraq?No?Then how is GE at fault for Draeger shipping the software to Iran?

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Rrhain

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IamJoseph responds to me:

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in an effort to counter the racial bigotry of O'Reilly,

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Namely?

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You mean you haven't been paying attention?You don't recall his foray into a restaurant frequented by black people where he expressed absolute amazement that nobody in the restaurant was cursing? In April of 2003, O'Reilly was hosting a fundraiser for "Best Friends," a group that supports inner-city schools. As he was filling time regarding the next act to perform, the Best Men: In a rant about his feeling that we should put troops on the border with Mexico: And then he seems to think that what happened to the Irish is the same as what happened to the Africans: Right...we all know about the slave ships coming from Ireland having kidnapped millions of Irish to become human chattel in the United States.About Michelle Obama: So there is a time to go on a "lynching party"?In another rant on immigration: In another discussion about immigration: When O'Reilly learned of Edwin Hall having kidnapped and murdered Kelsey Smith as well as having kidnapped Danielle Cramer, he had this to say: Regarding airport security: Regarding the people who died in Hurricane Katrina: Why is it you don't know this?

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Rrhain

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