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mike the wiz
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Message 1 of 105 (46750)
07-21-2003 6:15 PM


So far I have not been too pleased with the evolutionists stance. There are a few reasonable arguments from Crash and Schrafinator I've enjoyed. But I guess i'm a little shocked because I thought the 'intelligents' would wipe the floor with me, but in my experience the creationist arguments are better even.
I have been listening to John Mackay's (geologist) and his evidence is very good, the fossils are a problem for me, as he explained there are a huge amount of fossils that look exactly the same as animals today, frogs, starfish, sharks, he has found many fossils that have missed the 'evolutionary boat' is this a major problem? I think it is but I'm no expert, whats your view?
Has my grammar improved?
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Message 4 of 105 (46754)
07-21-2003 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by PaulK
07-21-2003 6:28 PM


'They "haven't missed the boat" in any way - they've done very well.'
I see were your coming from , I've seen Jaws aswell. lol
'the species still change.'
Is their evidence to show these changes in fossils. I'm honestly interested in this one I'm not out for a fight , I want to learn!

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Message 5 of 105 (46755)
07-21-2003 6:33 PM
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07-21-2003 6:32 PM


' I don't think you will be able to site a single case of a species lasting more than a few million years.'
I don't believe in millions of years.

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Message 6 of 105 (46757)
07-21-2003 6:39 PM
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07-21-2003 6:32 PM


'On your other point Mike, is there any specific point that you think you have come close to holding your own not to talk of winning a point?'
I think I held my own quite well on the 'dove on the ark' topic, certainly I done okay just by reading genesis I defended quite well, as for evolution I just don't get satisfying answers, even when I show genuine interest. I don't believe in evolution but it does interest me.

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Message 7 of 105 (46758)
07-21-2003 6:50 PM


Hello, where have you gone everybody? lol.
I need an answer, I seek to learn, do fossils show adaptation, say an animal that looks different now from a fossilised one?

  
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Message 9 of 105 (46762)
07-21-2003 7:02 PM
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07-21-2003 6:55 PM


'What do you believe in then, how old would you say the earth is and what do you base your conclusions on?'
I think you know the answer to this one, besides your not the person I'm looking for to discuss this Brian as you end up ridiculing my beliefs and it bores me. 'hans christian anderson' for example.I 've finished with you because of your statements. No offence but you go too far.

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Message 12 of 105 (46766)
07-21-2003 7:08 PM
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07-21-2003 7:04 PM


Great site Paul thanks, as for that picture of the guy in the sharks mouth, I'll be having nightmares for weeks.

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mike the wiz
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Message 13 of 105 (46767)
07-21-2003 7:10 PM
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07-21-2003 7:05 PM


O.K. Brian I take it back, I havent finished with you , that was a little harsh, it's just that I dont want a big debate in this topic.

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Message 15 of 105 (46770)
07-21-2003 7:18 PM
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07-21-2003 7:13 PM


O.k. Brian, thanks I dont bare grudges either thats why we made up so quick . lol. Just so you know I take it back,the answer to your question - I believe in 6000 years. Some people would call me a 'yec' I suppose.

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Message 17 of 105 (46778)
07-21-2003 8:34 PM
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07-21-2003 7:51 PM


Mark I thankyou for this insight, I'm a 'layperson' so I didn't get all of that. You obviously know a lot more than me about this so bare with me.
'Today it's fairly easy to tell any one canine skeleton from any one feline. The further you go back, however, the features that makes felines felines, & canines canines become more & more less pronounced.'
so am I right in thinking this suggests adating and evolving? (I know I'm stupid!)
'Hence, if an environment doesn't change appreciably as far as our organism is concerned, it will remain in "stasis". '
Is this the explanation for unchanging animals? I know you put them in periods but lets just say I didn't study .lol.

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Message 19 of 105 (46782)
07-21-2003 9:02 PM
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07-21-2003 8:55 PM


You have explained well about the animals not changing.
Do you know if their is fossils that you can actually put together and say 'look here is a fossil of a frog (for arguments sake) and here is a fossil of it's ancestor? (it's best to speak to me in simple terms as I'm a simple chap. lol) Or am I asking for too much info from fossils?

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Message 23 of 105 (46870)
07-22-2003 10:18 AM


Thanks for that Paul, you put yourself out.
You mentioned some interesting stuff BUT the main thing I noticed was your honesty. (no big claims)just the info.
As for your question Schrafinator,I do think the faraway universe was ageing faster and faster and we were going slower. That subject fascinates me, I've forgot the name of this book which is a theory about this , I'll try and look for it.

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mike the wiz
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Message 27 of 105 (46939)
07-22-2003 7:48 PM
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07-22-2003 11:21 AM


'Is God trying to trick us into thinking the Earth is old? If not, then why did he make every evidence we have point towards an old Earth? '
Not every evidence, just ask creation scientists that!
'I mean, why would God make all these many, many different lines of evidence all point towards an ancient Earth?'
Or could you be wrong?

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mike the wiz
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Message 29 of 105 (46943)
07-22-2003 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by mark24
07-22-2003 7:58 PM


'Well, there's a data filled retort!'
Well should I believe an evolution scientist over a creation one, and if so why? They're both scientists, ridiculing me is not going to make me believe your version when there is a perfectly and logically different interpretation.

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mike the wiz
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Message 32 of 105 (46949)
07-22-2003 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by mark24
07-22-2003 8:34 PM


'The point being, Mikey, my boy, is that you swept away Schrafs comments with absolutely jack shit.'
she was off topic, besides your starting to cook simmer down. She usually plants seeds but doesn't watch the growth. It's not '...t' it's a good point, why should I believe evolutionists when there are perfect explanations, thanks to people like John Mackay. Ask him about dating methods he's the expert.

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