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Modulous
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Message 11 of 302 (452043)
01-29-2008 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Hill Billy
01-29-2008 12:54 PM


Re: Refill please.
I am suggesting, no stating, that evolutionists do "infer" value from differing levels of education.
Naturally, possessing a high level of education has high value in the market place - those with higher education are, in general, given higher waged jobs. There is demand for higher levels of education. Though also, there is value in experience. So one might consider that in general someone with a degree and 5 years work experience is more valuable to the market than someone who dropped out of high school and sat around watching Oprah for 15 years.
So if evolutionists believe, as you claim, that they are more valuable people - who or what do they think are they more valuable to?

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Modulous
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Message 22 of 302 (452183)
01-29-2008 4:51 PM
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01-29-2008 3:28 PM


So what's the problem? Stating an observed fact about how the market values certain things shouldn't be problematic should it?
They think they are more valueable TO hillbillies then hillbillies are to themselves..
I don't think I am more valuable to you than you are to yourself. I can't see any evidence of this in the quotes you provided.

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Modulous
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Message 300 of 302 (468410)
05-29-2008 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 297 by VirtuousGuile
05-29-2008 4:46 AM


Re: British more Valuable than Africans then?
Westerners typically get more education higher wages than Africans. So does this mean that they are more valuable than Africans?
They are more valuable to some people in the market place yes - as such Westerners are also more expensive so value-for-money is sometimes to be had elsewhere...presumably in sectors that don't require the blessings of the West.
This means that rich economies can exploit poorer economies because they are of more value; they are better than the poor?
The point of my post was the last line. Whether or not someone is more valuable than another really depends on the criteria in use and the criteria in use generally depends on who is using it and when. I was refuting the claim that
I am suggesting, no stating, that evolutionists do "infer" value from differing levels of education.
by asking who do they consider themselves more valuable to? Obviously if 'evolutionists' mean 'evolutionary biologists' then we might get pragmatic answers such as 'the economy' or 'the university of X' or 'people with disease'. You might get personal answers such 'my family' or 'my husband'.
So yes, many people infer some value in education. There is nothing wrong in doing so - it can even spur people to help spread the general level of education as many scientists (not just biologists/evolution specialists). However, I don't value my fiancée less because she doesn't have a pHD since I don't pay her to work in a research lab.
The underlying direction was straightforward, inferring value in some quality (or lack thereof) does not infer 'superiority' just because the person doing the inferring also happens to have that quality. That could well be the case of course, but it isn't necessarily the case - and so the argument "Evolutionists feel superior." comes crumbling down as a special case. All people are equally vulnerable to feeling superior about having whatever qualities they think they possess that should be valued.
Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

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