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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
I'm getting pig sick of your constant harping on about your "tiny little mind". If you are going to presage everything you write with:
Hill Billy writes: One day I might learn more big words. or the like then there is no point in debating with you. Debate is supposed to be an exchange in ideas. Your point seems to be to feed the enormous chip on you shoulder. Goodbye Hill Billy, your method of debate claimss another sad victim. Dude! I'm so proud of you! Only one flowery word in that whole post. Pre...like before rite? sage...hmmm ..say? Umm, presage = opening words ? Try the decaf. This is the coffee house. The years tell what the days never knew.
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
I guess I'm in over my head here cause I can't make this :
the possibility that space-time can indeed bend and curve and give rise to what we call 'expansion'. fit with this:
No, space-time is a static entity. See here:
If we imagine time as along the cone, with T=0 at the apex, then the circular cross-sections of the cone can be said to expand as we move through time, away from the apex. I ask, "isn't time just a relative measurement?" As in the time it takes a planet to rotate is a day. Is time truly static? If space time bends and curves then the time it takes to get from A to B can change, rite?
To ask 'did the cone come from the apex?' is rather bizarre. I'm not sure how these questions are bizarre.To me they seem natural questions to ask. Are they bizarre cause you can't answer? Why is it valid to ask why it's here but not how it got here or from where it came?To ask 'so where did the apex come from?' is equally bizarre. But it is perfectly valid to ask 'why is there a cone here? How bout this question: " If there is a beginning ( T=0 ) how did it begin? " Is that bizarre? The years tell what the days never knew.
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
I get what yer sayin,
Yes, this is generally true. If you are close to the Earth, it will appear to take 24 hours to rotate. This is longest it will ever appear to rotate. But it can rotate in a much shorter time! All you have to do is go for a quick journey at close to the speed of light and come back, and you will see the Earth has made a complete revolution in less time than 24 hrs. How much less depends on the speeds you experienced on your journey. You can make the time arbitrarily small, assuming you can survive the accelearions and decelerations required to give you that speed. Now, instead or a time machine lets just accelerate the rate of rotation. A day remains a day, still 24 hours, it just don't take as long to happen. This is what I was asking. Time, as most people understand it,( if they understand it at all.) is relative to surroundings. If you decelerate all the relative motion are you not expanding time? If you accelerate all the relative motion are you not compressing time? If all the surroundings are accelerating how can the accelerations be measured? In this manner, is not time expanding? Like so:
Not quite - if you have point A on the cone at T=4, and event B at T=6, then the maximum time between events A and B is 2, but the actual time you will experience travelling from A to B will depend upon your chosen path across the cone from A to B. The actual curviness of the space-time along your path as you travel between A and B will affect the particular time you measure between A and B. Cause if the universe is expanding so is the distance between A and B. No? All this is way off topic but it was kind of a stupid topic anyway. The years tell what the days never knew.
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
Grizz,
This:
I will admit those who hold a Naturalistic world view free of religious belief do tend to think of themselves as intellectually superior. Cocky, Arrogant, Condescending? At times, yes, some can come across this way.
is bold. And this
an Inquisition or a Crusade to forcibly put down those who hold differing world views. is is not the way I would do things. You say Most religions have at their core a belief that the adherents are special and unique and they tend to elevate themselves above others. but that don't make it true, however this likely is
History has shown such a mind set can lead to very bad things.
Uh ya.
On a personal level, most Christians I know are decent people Me too.
At times, however, they can come across with a superiority complex and can be very exclusive.
Couldn't that be said about any kind of "people" ?
My Cousin's Baptist Church has an annual ski outing to Vermont and for the past 4 years I have assisted the church with Instruction. I am an avid skier and former instructor and was offered free lodging and lift tickets for the 4 day trip in exchange for my service. My time is scarce and is devoted mostly to school, so I was really looking forward to the trip over the President's day holiday. The week before, I was told that my services would no longer be needed. When I asked why, I was gently told that some of the parents of the kids that were attending objected to my presence, as I was not a Christian and member of the church. These people all knew me as trustworthy and responsible. Not only did this make me feel badly, it also changed my personal views on some things. I was offering a service to the group to enhance their enjoyment of a sport; I wasn't there to discuss religion. Perhaps they got tired of their attempts at converting me and that's why I was asked to come along to begin with. Who knows.
Sounds like you had a good ride for a few years, you know, free vacation and all. Now it over. Can't they offer their tickets to any one they want? Are you entitled? Your story may reveal more of you than them. No? The years tell what the days never knew.
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
Bluescat
I don't think hes was complaining about the loss of the ski tickets as the prejudicial attitude of "some of the parents."
or was he complaining about the loss of tickets because of the attitude? Regardless, this is a church group, not a random gathering. Is it so terible to be "discriminating" about who you associate with. Do you hang out with just anybody that comes around or are you more selective? If I just showed up at your door would you let me in? (I wouldn't.) (unless I had my guitar) This is a social event for families of a common belief system. It doesn't seem completly unreasonable for some folks to wanna stick with their own kind so to speak. Seems to me that there is a common thread amongst humans, to stick to their own kind. Do battle with the rest. The years tell what the days never knew.
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
Larni,
With this sentence you blow your entire arguement out of the water: well done.
Thank you. Do you mean my argument that evolutionists feel superior? Let's see.... if all kinds of people can and do feel superior then, um, evolutionists are people right? So then it is not inaccurate to say evolutionists feel superior. So it seems in attempting to blow my arguement ut of the water" you got all wet.Nice to talk to you again. I'll be back soon. The years tell what the days never knew.
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
Larni,
So what you really should have written as your title for this rip roaring thread was: some people feel superior.
If I may quote myself from message 201 http://EvC Forum: Evolutionary superiority -->EvC Forum: Evolutionary superiority
PEOPLE FEEL SUPERIOR.
Playground logic? I learned at a young age to only use what resourses are nessesary against a givin opponent. The years tell what the days never knew.
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5376 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
VirtuousGuile
My point is that value that is based on your level of education promotes injustice Sorry it took so long to get you involved. Well done. The years tell what the days never knew.
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