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Author Topic:   Are theistic evolutionists really IDers?
Buzsaw
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Message 47 of 91 (468624)
05-30-2008 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by randman
04-23-2008 5:50 PM


If So, ID Not Jehovah Of Bible
To clarify, let's start with Christians that believe God created the universe with the intent for man to evolve.
I think such theistic evos are clearly IDers. They believe an Intelligent Designer (God) created the universe, and they have accepted teleological thinking in believing such a creation occured with the intent to create/evolve mankind.
I think other theistic evos are likewise IDers, whether they realize or not, because they believe there is an Intelligent Force behind the creation and existence of the universe, but perhaps they are not teleological and think, for example, God perhaps didn't even know what would happen.
But regardless, it strikes me as incedibly inconsistent and lacking self-awareness for evos that believe in God or some divinity to at the same time bash Intelligent Design since they themselves are IDers.
Hi Rand. Welcome back.
If the ID entity is Jehovah, god of the Bible, no way for the following reasons.
1. According to the scriptures the Biblical god is eternal to the past and to the future. Nearly all evolutionists are also Big Bangists as well which is temporal to the past. So they not only have the Genesis record to account for relative to evolution but how the universe came to be. Nothing they believe in relates to the ID Biblical account.
2. According to Gen 1, God made the first man, Adam in a day after the image of God himself and breathed life into him.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 59 of 91 (468655)
05-30-2008 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by randman
05-30-2008 8:19 PM


Re: If So, ID Not Jehovah Of Bible
Randman writes:
buzsaw, not getting into the question of biblical IDers.....nor the fact it is inconsistent to accept Darwinism and the Bible, though I agree with you that there are inconsistencies between NeoDarwinism and the Bible, but for me, there are inconsistencies between the view of science espoused by evos and belief in God at all.
But your OP seems to be about Biblical IDers and other references to God in the OP seem to relate to the Biblical god. There are many gods worshipped in the world, a number of which were not related to creationism at all.
OP writes:
To clarify, let's start with Christians that believe God created the universe with the intent for man to evolve.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 61 of 91 (468660)
05-30-2008 10:06 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by randman
05-30-2008 9:52 PM


Re: If So, ID Not Jehovah Of Bible
Randman writes:
Buzz, I am talking of theistic evos, probably most that believe in some aspects of the Bible, but they probably don't all accept the Bible as wholly the word of God.
Well then, they've invented their own god and attemped to associate it with Christianity and the Bible when in fact it's not the eternal and ID one described in the Bible at all.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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