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Buzsaw
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Message 5 of 64 (468185)
05-28-2008 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by iano
05-28-2008 7:58 AM


Church Charges?
The easiest way around the problem would be for the church not to charge for it's services. Then the people going to the church wouldn't be customers anymore.
What church do you go to? I've been in churches for 62 years all over the nation and have never seen or heard of one which leveled a charge for membership or attendance of worship services or worship day classes. Everything has been voluntary. OTO most secularist organizations have dues or fees to participate or join. Many churches also offer free food, clothes, Bibles, help ministries etc, often not limiting these services to churches in the nation in which the church is located. The church I attend has a free food pantry for needy folks and sends Bibles, money and other services abroad for distribution. All of this is provided voluntarily by members and friends of the church.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 25 of 64 (468657)
05-30-2008 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Brian
05-28-2008 9:59 AM


Re: Church Charges?
Brian writes:
I am seriously considering reporting the next Christian preacher who stops me in the street and rattles a collection tin under my nose, then goes on about Jesus. I will play along, get their contact details, then report them to the police for breaking the law. Then we will see how the courts deal with it.
This shows how out of touch with reality you are. Here in America that just doen't happen on the streets so far as I am aware. Is that what they do in Scotland? What freedom you must enjoy over there.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 28 of 64 (468679)
05-31-2008 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Brian
05-31-2008 3:39 AM


Re: Church Charges?
Brian writes:
So it could indeed be YOU that's out of touch with reality? perhaps it doesn't happen on your streets, perhaps it does, but your TV evangelists sure are raking in tens of millions of dollars from the gullible American public. Now THAT deosn't happen in Scotland.
You said on the streets where you can't avoid them. Now you're changing your gripe/rant to evangelists who you can avoid if you don't like their message or collection plates to support their work. My response was regarding street preachers poking collection plates in your face. Isn't that what you said? I'm not aware of any of that going on any place in America. Even if they preach on the streets, they just don't ask for money after their message. That wasn't the way they did it in the old days either.
Back in about 1951 when a late teen youth I went down to work at the mission on skid row with our church group in Minneapolis where we urged the drunks and others on skid row into the mission, gave them a message, SOME FOOD, a bed for the night if they wished, clothes, etc, never ever asking them for a penny. Church folks and friends of the mission paid for it all voluntarily.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 38 of 64 (468718)
05-31-2008 10:10 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Grizz
05-31-2008 4:41 PM


Re: Self-Righteous Christians???
Grizz writes:
I recently read an article by NT Wright were here offered up a rebuttal to Liberal Christian theologians who deny the resurrection. One quote struck me as odd: "If the resurrection is not true then all is for naught. What is the point of being a Christian if not for the resurrection?"
In other words, why would you want to be a Christian and follow the moral commandments if not for the truth of a redemptive act which ensured eternal life for Christians?
So, If the resurrection were not true, would you still think it worthwhile to "reach out to others in gestures of Love and kindness," or do you need instructions and the presence of an implicit reward or punishment to do such things?
Let's say Jesus were to tell you that the gates of Heaven have been closed and nobody else gets in; your death represents the expiration of your existence. You are free to do as you wish without fear of reward or punishment. Out of your love for God you are asked to continue to follow the moral law and commandments, not because of a reward or punishment but because of your respect for God who gave you life. Of course, as a Christian I understand your response will be "this is impossible"; still, as a hypothetical, what would your answer be and how would your view the "moral law" as presented in scriptures?
Are gestures of love and kindness to be done for their own sake or because we are told do these things? Which approach to morality is more shallow and which is more "righteous?" Which do you think a God would be more pleased by?
1. If Jesus spoke and I knew the message was from him I'd likely do his bidding, knowing he knew what was best for me and my descendents.
2. I would consider the history of the world, knowing that here and now life on earth works best when Biblical principles are applied to cultures.
3. I would likely not bother with promoting the ministry of the gospel of salvation with funds and participation.
4. I'd continue to attend church services and worship Jehovah God, knowing he does exist.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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