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bluescat48
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Message 151 of 161 (432990)
11-09-2007 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by Raphael
11-09-2007 12:28 PM


Christians are not atheists regarding Zeus, Thor, etc because they are not real Gods. They're just made up by the greeks or the norse nations or the romans etc. Whereas the Jewish God, the Christian god, is not made up. Peole had experiances with Him that cannot be looked over.

How do you know that Yahweh is not made up any more than Zeus or Amon or any other deity wasn't made up


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Message 152 of 161 (448290)
01-12-2008 9:20 PM
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04-12-2007 5:29 PM


Nuggin writes:

And, just as likely, they looked down upon the previous Gods. "Oh, yeah, people used to worship Iknock, but that was before we realized that Zeus is the one true God."

The greek and Roman empires where anything but picky toward which god they worshiped, which is why there are so many in there belief system and civilisation. What spiritual evidence do you speak of? Do you whorship one of these many gods that you have see a figure carved from stone do miricles?

To clear up a point, fundimental Christians do not think or believe that these other gods that you speak of do not exist, quite frankly they do, but they are not the One True God who has power over all of them that they should tremble at His name. This is the first reason I chose my God over all the others, that He is far more real and powerful than any of them. and the second is illustrated in this short video: http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=9dc6f227f9133ba2dfd3 He is the only one that was willing to meet me where I was and give me a hand out.


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Message 153 of 161 (466774)
05-17-2008 12:53 AM
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Atheism, IMHO, is when the messenger transcends the message. If, for example, one is praying or thinking creator, and one sees an image in their minds - it is a form of paganism; but not necessarilly an evil, just a longer path.

What many do not realise is, that Monotheism is very different from anything which was around before Abraham, and was a greater premise than MC2 a 1000 times. It was also far more deadly than Galeleo's non-flat earth declaration. But we look at it retrospectively now and there is a blase of it. Science is a result of a monotheistic thought, despite that today these appear antithetical premises.

The OT God was not like zeus or thor; the 2nd commandment clearly says we can compare with nthing within the universe; it is perhaps the longest command, detailing no images of anything hidden in the oceans, the heavens or upon the earth. That is a very logical and scientifically based premise: the creator must be - at least - transcendnent of everything the creator created. The first monotheists expended much to sustain this belief - and were ridiculed about an invisable God. Its different from zeus.


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Message 154 of 161 (466856)
05-17-2008 2:55 PM
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05-17-2008 12:53 AM


first monotheists?
The first monotheists expended much to sustain this belief - and were ridiculed about an invisable God.

Yes, Akhenaten certainly got a very hard time from many Egyptians, they even tried to wipe out all evidence of his existence.

Brian.


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Message 155 of 161 (467623)
05-22-2008 10:41 PM
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04-12-2007 5:29 PM


Not true. The Bible says that "Thy shall have no other God before me." Your gods are safe if you keep them in the backroom just in case.

The Jews had many Gods. Remember when Jesus talks about the doors of Hades - a mythical place. Hmh.


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Message 156 of 161 (468353)
05-29-2008 3:18 AM
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All Fundamental Christians are Atheists in regards to Zeus, Apollo, Thor, Vishnu, Coyote, the Hero Twins, and many many more Gods.

Satirist John Safran did a series called John Safran vs God. In Short he is Jew that takes the piss out of religions. He takes the piss out of
- Muslims
- Peyote Church (cactus drug)
- Catholics
- The KKK
- Buddhist Monks
- Mormons
- Vikings
- Voodu
- Christians
The interesting thing in this was in the last episode he goes to a Christian Exorcist, he answers a spiritual questionnaire and in short the Exorcist says that he fly paper for demons.

This was the last episode. So like the rest it starts and you expect the piss to be taken and boom he actually starts manifesting demons. It was amazing.

Anyway the basic premise of the Exorcist was that Odin, Voodoo and the rest of it was real and had a demonic under pinning.

This amazed Jew being extremely irreverent to various religions had a genuine religious experience.


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Message 157 of 161 (468354)
05-29-2008 3:26 AM
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05-22-2008 10:41 PM


Symobolic interpretation
the doors of Hades - a mythical place.

Hades what does it mean? If my memory serves me correctly "it means the underworld" which seems to be a common analogue for hell. Atheists understand that he has gone to the grave. The underworld seems to be a common reference to after death references in cultures that bury their dead.

Please remember that Greek was a common language at the time. It is not very plausible that symbolic references between cultures would not have been the norm.

I'm from New Zealand and Maori is the other national language. They use a term called 'Mana' which means 'Mana' in Maori culture. But When translated into English culture it means dignity, respect, honour, prestige...


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Message 158 of 161 (468520)
05-29-2008 9:26 PM
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05-29-2008 3:26 AM


Re: Symobolic interpretation
VirtuousGuile,

The text of "no other God before me" can be taken several ways. Even in this day with my knowledge of the Bible, I'm not sure which interpretation is correct. Many Jews of that time were intermingled with other religions (gods) thru businesses and marriages.

Hades was the Greek god of the underworld - not a place although it is possible that the name may have been used as a reference to where Hades supposedly dwelled. Hades as a Greek god would have been around for centuries before Jesus.

What got me searching the Bible is the possibility of the correlation that Jesus' words may have in relation to the commandment. This led me to search out for more references. What I found was interesting - that the word "hell" has almost disappeared in the newest translations of the Bible - but didn't help me. I am interested why the Greek god was named in the Bible. I will concede that the translation to Greek may have erred. It just seems odd that there is possibility of the multiple Gods being accepted by the Jews – Jesus was a Jew.

Maybe someone knows where there is information that will clear this up for me if not others.


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Message 159 of 161 (468536)
05-29-2008 11:50 PM
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05-29-2008 9:26 PM


Re: Symobolic interpretation
It might be that one would have to find the original transcript before any translations to see what the author actually wrote. Could be that by the time of Christ the Greek term for the underworld was hades even though they had adopted Christianity.

Edited by bluescat48, : clarification


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Message 160 of 161 (468721)
05-31-2008 10:45 PM
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05-29-2008 11:50 PM


Re: Symobolic interpretation
Maybe so and I have no problem with this explanation or others. I simply find that the reference to Hades is intriguing and would be reinforcement for someone proposing that God may allow us other Gods in light of the commandment "no other gods before me". The other reoccurring quote that is heard is that "God is a jealous god". Why use the word jealous instead of a simple comdemnation of having multiple gods?

If there is someone who has found that the interpretation of allowing multiple gods is emphatically wrong based on scripture, I hope that they will extend the courtesy of posting the references.


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Message 161 of 161 (468746)
06-01-2008 5:35 AM
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05-29-2008 9:26 PM


Re: Symobolic interpretation
Libmr2bs writes:

quote:
Hades was the Greek god of the underworld - not a place although it is possible that the name may have been used as a reference to where Hades supposedly dwelled.

It is both. The term for the underworld, "Hades," is the same as the term for the god that ruled it, "Hades." It should not suprise you, then, to learn that the name for the ruler of the sky, "Zeus," is traceable back to the word for sky. Notice the word for the supreme god in Latin: Jupiter. This is directly from the portmanteu of "sky-father," or "Zeu-pater," as he was often called. All the prayers in the Iliad to Zeus begin with that phrase.

There are many terms in the Bible whose translations keep their original linguistic origins. Take, for example, the story of Job. In it, "Satan" talks to god. Now, this is not the devil for in Judaism, there is no such thing as the devil. The word "satan" means "adversary" and if you look into the KJV, you will find the word "adversary" in there. It's the exact same word in the Hebrew, but it got translated as "adversary" in one instance and left as "Satan" in another:

Numbers 22:22: And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him.

Why the distinction? Who knows. You will note that in Job, Satan is a servant of god and not separate from him.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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