The infinite space of the Universe

IamJoseph writes:Why so? Cars do reproduce.

The operative factor here is that cars don't just happen of themselves - nothing which exhibits and displays a complexity does that, or can be accepted as doing that - even where there is no proof of a complex car maker or any other complex structure: there is really no such thing as 'nature' - nor is there anything natural about complexities emerging from non- or less complex.

Why so? Cars do reproduce.

The operative factor here is that cars don't just happen of themselves - nothing which exhibits and displays a complexity does that, or can be accepted as doing that - even where there is no proof of a complex car maker or any other complex structure: there is really no such thing as 'nature' - nor is there anything natural about complexities emerging from non- or less complex. That is the ridiculous factor here, not mine.

If you examine your premise - there is nothing which negates science and logic more than that premise. Your science stops abruptly at a certain treshold, and becomes less than sci-fi, witchraft and socery.The correct conclusion is yes, but we cannot prove it. One step further than that says, if we could prove it, that proof would be less transcendent the the universe. Here, the lack of proof and the enigma of not knowing is the only proof which is credible.We have to acknowledge, we are trust in a diobolical situation, on many levels. We don't know what we are, where we came from, why, how, or where we're going - or if there is a place to go - or to not go. That the primary 'A' factor is so fastidiously barred, to all, including theologists and scientists, does not infer or suggest there is nothing - just the reverse.We know nothing of the most basic factor of all: our origins. Its un-natural. And this means, designed that way - intentional and purposeful, blatantly obvious. Try to hide some fact from everyone, who are desperate to find out: its imposiible, and far more demanding a feat that not hiding it. Imagine telling a cop you don't know where your from - will he think you a brilliant scientist!?

I would tend to agree that we don't know the answers to the most vital questions: what we are and why we are here on this tiny speck in the universe called earth, where we came from, where the universe came from, what life is, what the universe is, what life is, etc. It's depressing how small, insignificant, unaware and oblivious we are in the grand scheme of things in the universe with our puny minds and our thirst for knowledge. What's more depressing is that so far there has been no indication of an existence of god, and this is not only depressing, it's frightening how alone we are by ourselves in this most indifferent thing we call nature.

onifre writes:You make absolutly no sense.

I'd like to see Joseph in a one on one philosophical discussion with one of our new members. This post & the one above

It could be a match made in heaven.

I don't need a god but life and the universe don't make a millionth of a percent sense. Their existence just don't make ANY sense, whatsoever. Everything is so pointless, yet everything is real and existing, it's frightening...

lyx2no writes:Unless you think I mean the bar will weld its meeting ends into a continuos piece like two rolls of Certs breath mints banged together, which I don't, then the property you seek is called straightness.AbE: Sorry, that's too glib even for me.Straight, universally, is a relative term in the same way level is globally. A level brick wall will rejoin itself if built all the way around the Earth. For the bar to be straight it must follow the curvature of the Universe to rejoin itself.

Cavediver writes:It isn't any proerty of the bar - it is the property of the space in which the bar resides.

My point in all this is to argue for static boundless/infinite space. There are no properties of space which are going to overcome the properties of a straight steel straight edge bar so as to prevent it from going straight out into space into infinity. The bar is used as a model only. Of course we know it's impossible for a bar to keep from bending from the weight etc but even then it wouldn't rejoin to the same location.