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Author Topic:   Is the bible the word of God or men?
deerbreh
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Message 279 of 309 (469425)
06-05-2008 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by IamJoseph
06-03-2008 10:20 AM


Re: Is the bible the word of God or men?
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David wrote all the psalms subscribed to him. The details in many psalms describing the valleys are percieved when one examines the house of David site, and looks from where the terrace would be, whereby that psalm even says where it was written. The psalms scrolls did not contain a signature, if that is what you are referring to, but the contents speak for themselves more accurately than some one later signing them. David's scribes, responsible for archiving the king's writings and orders, would have applied a notation, including an authentic, historical description noting the event and time. Here, David had battles with his son, also recorded in the book of kings, which details David's victory over the original philistines - there is no record of the philistines after this date. The philistines had an underground city with tunnels and catacombs, in today's Gaza - these tunnels still exist today. Such stats are far more telling than a signature:
Do we even have incontrovertible evidence that THE "King David" (as recorded in the Bible) actually existed? And no I do not consider the "House of David Inscription" to be that evidence. There may have indeed have been a King David of Israel - likely there was at the least an ancient leader of a confederation of Israeli tribes named David - but that is not the same as saying there was a slingshot-wielding shepherd boy named David who became the King of Israel and wrote the Psalms. After all, knowledge of the geography of a particular area is not limited to that mythical King David purported to have lived there - come on, let's use a little basic logic here. And what would have prevented an unscrupulous unknown scribe from using the good King David's name to gain some acclaim for his scribblings after David's time had passed?

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deerbreh
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Message 297 of 309 (469623)
06-06-2008 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by IamJoseph
06-05-2008 10:51 PM


Re: Is the bible the word of God or men?
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My final claim is that there is nothing in the archaeological record from Palestine at the time the Stele relates to that can be uniquely identified as ”Israelite’.
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A dead give away: there was no palestine when that stele was made. hello?
I think Brian was referring to the area which later became known as Palestine - one has to have a way of identifying the geography. In any case, you did not address the point - can you make a connection between the Israelites and the Stele based on the archeological evidence?

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deerbreh
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Message 304 of 309 (493593)
01-09-2009 4:22 PM


The Bible is a liturature mosaic.
Anyone who does even a cursory examination of the historical context of the Bible will be convinced that it clearly was written and assembled by men - men with the same passions and motivations as men today - which is to say there were saints and rogues, jealousies, self serving agendas, scholars of varying abilities and biases, political trading (you include my favorite text and I will include yours) etc. Chronologies got rearranged, books got "stuck together" that should have remained apart, stuff was "lifted" from various sources, authorships were assigned capriciously, etc. In other words, the Bible is like any other sacred text. Does this mean that God was not involved? I guess that depends on your view or God. If you believe as I do that God = the goodness in people, the answer is yes. If you believe that God is some kind of infallible magician - no.

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