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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Miracles are not provable or disprovable. Historical factors are and should be. Mostly, the OT contains provable, historical stats.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote:Everything I stated is historically vindicated. The philistines history and ther mentioning was introduced in the OT. This invading peoples are foremost associated with Israel, canaan and egypt, evidenced with papyrus relics found only recently, while their history was only known from the OT. I'm amazed that some on this forum give your claims any veracity. No peoples know more of the Philistines than the Hebrews, and one of the world's greatest historical hoaxes - fostered by Europe - is the current widespread acceptance of muslims in Palestne being Palestinians. The only historically vindicated scriptures in Arabia comes from the OT - exclusively. quote:
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Moses = 'from water' in ancient egyptian.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: While I'm unsure exactly which pharoah this refers to, I know there was a Rameseys mentioned in the OT, and the names of his preists as well as this king has been identified in allignment with the OT writings. In fact, egyptian writings are so unreliable, they only get their veracity from the OT. Both these cities [Ramesey being built for this king] were built by Hebrew labour; both are mentioned for the first time in Genesis. You are on record as denying David was an historical figure, against a host of scientific acceptance - and I can rest my case when it comes to your motives of history and quoting archeology. Perhaps you are in opposition to all theologies - but all theologies are not historical. Most of humanity has a vested interest in denying israel's history - but they always end up eating their words, and then continueing their denials elsewhere. Consider how many pillars tumble if the OT is correct: the NT; [the Quran falls automatically in a single stroke once the NT falls - because it sanctions some portions of the gospels's version of history]; 90% of all claims made from Europe and the Middle-east; a host of states hijacked by oil; the entire atheist community. No one has ever held such a precarious position in geo-history. Its at a stage where the NT and the Quran are at the greatest expanse of oppositional versions of history, despite both emerging around the same time, relatively recently - yet no one bothers of it - maybe because these are not percieved as historical?! Your talking a whole lot of humanity and alledged history being in diabolical variance from the OT in numerous instances - as well as a host of paradigms in sciences. But seeing that all those premises are mutually exclusive of each other's claims [both the NT and the Quran cannot be right!] - it is clear which single writings is right and correct historically. The situation is the reverse of how it should be - the fringe appears right, while the multitude appears wrong - this is a unique situation. Then again, it takes one single person to dislodge a 1000 years of held beliefs - Galeleo, Newton, Einstein, etc. I have not seen anything in the OT which is disproven or blatantly false - despite its anciency.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Yes, lets not be confused: I say 'EVERYTHING' you have postulated is incorrect - no exceptions, in the last few posts.
quote: I have responded to this: two of the eight canaanites kingdoms sided with Israel and lived peaceably in this land; the rest were conquered in numerous battles which last 150 years; gaza was not conquered till David's time. [The OT texts] quote: No one said it mentioned much more. There was not much else to report, and ancient Egyptian writings are not historical, except only the boastings of its pharoahs - and which have been decidedly shown as false and exaggerated, and never allowing any negative details. very much like today.
quote: There's no 'PLUS'. Nothing you have said before has any veracity. I also responded to your 3 m ridiculing - this is backed by a scientific cencus of tribes, ages and genders, while there is no reason to lie. If the figs are already small, identifying only a small nation - where is the lie being pointed at and what's your point? Nor do you offer any proof, yet to use the term 'certainly not 3 million'
quote: LOL> you also said no mention was made of Israel's history. No backing down - your entire inference is clear.
quote: This is ridiculous. You want me to prove what is proven. There is more evidence of israel in canaan [there was no such place as palestine - this name is recent, applied by European Rome, then they re-planted it on the most antitheticals], than almost any nation or historical writings in geo-history. Do you even accept there was an Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - with a thread culminating in three religions, with 2000 years of writings from numerous cross sections of nations? - if you do, this history, along with a 100 other nations listed, is exclusively derived from the OT writings.
quote: Meaning what? Today, most arabs deny the jerusalem temple: there goes your gospels, which claims one JC visited that monument, and Josephus gives minutae details of its sizes - and that the arabs were in the front rows as paid mercenaries destroying it. Yet we see european christianty laughably and cowardly silent of such notorious claims, and they instead foster an anti-israel hisotry - even if it negates their own beliefs and history - its a mad, mad, mad world! Even when you select your own provisions, you are talking nonesense.
quote: If you were a rocket scientist, you would negate the egyptian boastings, and admit the OT as transcendent here. You should visit the mueums in Israel, France and Briton.
quote: A dead give away: there was no palestine when that stele was made. hello?
quote: It would make no difference. You would jump to another denial.
quote: Yes, lets not be confused: I say 'EVERYTHING' you have postulated is incorrect - no exceptions, in the last few posts.Nothing was correct.
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