Why did they cover their nakedness?

I'm going to use Star Trek Voyager to respond to this bit. In one episode, Voyager encounters a Klingon ship carrying a couple hundred religious zealots. They had been traveling for a hundred years in deep space looking for the "promised land". They are the followers of a Klingon prophet a hundred years ago.When talking in private, the high priest told Janeway that most of the religious texts were very confusing and that it was more likely to have been written by a mad man in a cave somewhere and that because he's been studying those texts all his life he's come to the realization that you could interpret them anyway you want.The bible was written by a bunch of savages that thought killing every man, woman, and child in a city was just. I've taken enough English lit classes in college to know that you could write hundred page papers on complete bullshit if you're creative enough.This is one reason why I am against teaching literature in school. English is pretty much the first step toward allowing people to interpret bullshit and delude themselves into thinking there's something to the bullshit when all it is is bullshit. If you don't believe me, just look at how iano, buzsaw, iamjoe, and the various other crackpots whose lives rely entirely on interpreting bullshit.

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I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

Same reason why you would feel like covering up your penis if you suddenly found yourself naked in front of somebody.My 4 year old nephew likes to run around nude. That's because he's a little child.Before "the fall", A&E had the mentality of little children. Probably why they ate the forbidden fruit in the first place. I know that in my nephew's case when he is told not to do something the next thing he does is do just that something.All the evidence pretty much points to god as an unfit parent. Child services should have taken A&E away from god to prevent permanent psychological harm.

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I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

But you're assuming that at the time they even knew what "negative things" were. Remember that we're talking about mere children here.I have a few nephews and nieces and I can definitely tell you that threatening to do something to them doesn't convince them one bit about the negative impacts of the threat. You actually have to do it to them in order for them to understand the negative things you are speaking of.A&E didn't know good or evil. They didn't know right from wrong. They were literally little children. And anyone with little kids can tell you that if you tell them to not touch an object and then go away leaving them with the object, they will almost certainly touch the object. That's why we treat them like children. Remember that they didn't know right from wrong and good from evil. They had no grasp of the concept of negative things. Like I said, any parent can attest to this that if you tell a little child to not touch something and then leave him with the object he will almost certainly touch the object. That's why we treat them like children. They are children. Let me ask you something. When a little child misbehaves in a public place, do we blame the child or do we blame the parents? Don't even try to play dumb on this one.God made A&E the way they were. They were incapable of telling the difference between right and wrong. They were incapable of telling the difference between good and evil. They had no concept of "negative things". They literally had the mentality of 4 year olds. That's why we treat 4 year olds the way we treat them. We treat them like children. That's because they are children and incapable of the most basic human reason.You should read the entire Rama series by Sir Arthur C. Clark. I think I'm the only person in the world to have noticed the parallel Sir Clark tried to draw between A&E and certain characters in the novels. If you are familiar with the series, try to guess who I'm talking about.

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I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

Look, just because I didn't agree with you didn't mean you had to pray to your god to strike my house with lightning. He answered your prayer and fried everything electronic in my place. What does this have to do with being able to tell the difference between right and wrong? The nazis had some pretty intelligent minds on their side. Didn't stop them from killing millions of innocent people. Ok, let's look at the book of genesis.Gen 3:22 says...

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22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

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Just so you want to play dumb again, I increased the size of the text that I want you to pay attention to. I'm sorry, but I really can't see this anywhere in the book of genesis... and I am unable to put my head that far up my own arse. Then explain what god said in gen 3:22.Look, I define myself as a literalist, meaning I don't just pull stuff out of my ass like english majors do all the time. I read and understand what's there. The rest of your post looks more like a combination of wishful thinking and bearing false witness against your own bible.

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I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

Jaywill, after painfully reading through your post there, I came to the conclusion that you agree with me. Before he ate the forbidden fruit of knowledge of good and evil, he did not know good from evil. Only after eating the fruit did he become like god and know good and evil.So, again, why punish your child and his descendents if you know for a fact that he didn't know right from wrong? What does this say about god as a parent? It's a simple question, jaywill. You don't need 1,700 very abstract words to answer it.

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I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

I'm guessing you have never had children or babysat any of them, because you clearly have no idea what kind of mentality children have.I have a 6 year old nephew. One time we babysat him so his parents could go out on a romantic evening. I let him play with my bird and before I know it he began to pull the feathers off the bird. I told him to stop and explained to him that it's wrong to do that because pulling feathers out of the bird would hurt it. He nodded so I assumed he would stop. And before I know it, he had gotten into the cage again and had started pulling out the bird's feathers. I told him to stop and asked him to repeat what I told him. He said I told him not to pull feathers out of the bird. I asked him why he shouldn't do it and he said because it hurts the bird just like when he has a boo boo.Understanding an instruction and the reasoning behind the instruction and actually knowing the difference between the right and wrong actions are 2 different things. Kids lack the impulse control (commonly referred to as the conscience) to be able to tell the difference between right and wrong. You can explain to right from wrong to them all you want, but in the end it takes time and experience for them to develop a conscience.Nobody is disputing with you that Adam got specific instruction from god to not eat the forbidden fruit. What I am disputing with you is whether Adam actually could tell the difference between right and wrong in regard to his actions. And clearly, that passage in Gen 3 confirmed that only after eating the fruit did Adam know good and evil, right and wrong. Just so you want to play dumb again, let me repeat. Understanding an instruction and actually knowing why following the instruction is right are 2 completely different things. Kids demonstrate to us everyday that they can understand right down to the detail the instructions that we give them. What they often have trouble doing is following those instructions because they don't know any better. That's why we treat them like children. That's why when a child does something bad in public we blame the parents.

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I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

There's a simpler explanation than this, Buz. Have you ever gone backpacking in a forest somewhere? After a while, you learn to instinctively avoid skin contact with a lot of the plants out there. Just imagine having to scratch your penis constantly to satisfy the itch.

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I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

No, I'm a literalist in the sense that I read what's there and not add stuff of my own into the story. When I was in college, I took some creative writing and literature classes with english majors. It always amazed and amused me that english majors could come up with so much bullshit to write about nothing. You are a perfect demonstration of that. God in gen 3 clearly said that Adam finally know right and wrong only after he ate the fruit. Somehow, you wrote 1,700 words in tangent sentences and then concluded out of the blue that Adam knew right from wrong before "the fall" even though the book of Gen said nothing about that. In essence, you are in fact calling god a liar in Gen 3. The only thing you ever said that came close to supporting your claim was when you said Adam named all the animal in the garden, thus implicating that he had more intelligence than a child. But you see, intelligence does not define conscience.Anyway, I'm getting tired of this. I'm sure you will conjure up another thousand plus word post to respond to this one. You have my permission to have the last word. Unlike Bill OReilly, I will not interrupt your last word.

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I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

OMFG, I've never noticed that before!

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I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.