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dwise1 Member Posts: 5951 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Granny Magda writes: As Dobzhansky had it, "Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.". Evolution is an essential aspect of biology. To ignore it is to invite ignorance and sow the seeds of confusion, just as the creationists behind this "strengths and weaknesses" tosh doubtless intend. This quote may be overused. There were 47,300 hits on Google for this quote alone. With the speed of my internet connection, it would take me months or years to look at all of those references. It will suffice to say that I really do not know what this guy means by evolution. If he means macroevolution then I do not understand why he would say that biology makes no sense without this theory. I also quote it a bit more fully on my site at No webpage found at provided URL: http://members.aol.com/dwise1/cre_ev/quotes.html#DOBZHANSKY and link to the article, Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution transcribed from The American Biology Teacher, March 1973 (35:125-129) at No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.2think.org/dobzhansky.shtml:
quote:From computer science, we have that there's data and there's information. Data are just the numbers and text that's stored away in files; information is what we get when we process that information. Data has no meaning until it has been processed into information. In science, we have lots of data accumulated from observations and measurements of natural phenomena. Theories are conceptual models that attempt to make sense out of all that data. In biology, the theory of evolution is what helps us to make sense out of all that data. It's the difference between knowing and understanding. You can know individual facts, but you cannot know what those facts mean until you understand them and how they all fit together. Science without theories only collects data without understanding anything; it is only with theories that we can start to make sense out of the facts. On my same quotes page at No webpage found at provided URL: http://members.aol.com/dwise1/cre_ev/quotes.html#SCOTT I relate a story told by Dr. Eugenie Scott at a presentation I saw about 12 years ago:
quote: Pity the poor biology graduates who never learned evolution and so do not understand their chosen field. The final section of Dobzhansky's article, from which the quote was taken, reads:
quote: You want to know what Dobzhansky was saying? Read the article. Edited by dwise1, :
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5951 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Thank you for confirming what everybody's been saying: those are the same baseless claims creationists have been making for decades; this "new" "include the weaknesses" approach is truly just another attempt to slip the same old nonsense into the science classroom.
You've missed the history of what had been going in the US since the start of the 20th century. The rapid increase in high school attendence in the 1910's led to a lot of parents suddenly getting exposed to the evolution their kids were learning in school. This fuelled the anti-evolution movement of the 1920's which culminated in four states adopting "monkey laws" that would severely punish any teacher who even dared mention evolution in the classroom and with local and national pressure being used to pressure school boards and textbook publishers to exclude evolution from the curriculum and instructional materials. Then in 1968 the "monkey laws" were struck down because their purpose was solely religious (Epperson vs Arkansas), so the anti-evolution movement came back to life and created "creation science" which took the same old arguments from the 1920's plus some new ones that had been devised in the meantime, scrubbed them superficially of all blatant religious references, and presented them as "scientific evidences" against evolution, thus circumventing the courts by claiming that their objections to evolution were purely scientific and had nothing at all to do with religion -- in other words, they were lying through their teeth. Appealing to fairness and academic freedom they engaged in innumerable local school board campaigns that would go something like (though not necessarily always in this order): 1. Our "scientific evidences" prove evolution to be false, so it should be removed from the curriculum.Please note that this is their actual goal: the elimination of evolution. 2. When that failed, then they would call for "balanced treatment" and "equal time", such that whenever evolution was being taught, equal time would be required to teach "creation science" in order to provide balanced treatment of the "controversy". Of course, if evolution is not taught, then "creation science" need not be taught.The clear intent of this was to dissuade teachers from teaching evolution. This was also the approach in the Arkansas and Lousiana "balanced treatment" laws of the early 1980's; in the Arkansas trial one teacher broke into tears when describing how the law was requiring him to lie to his students. That the intent was to eliminate evolution is supported by a letter written by the author of the model bill that those two laws were based on, Paul Ellwanger: "... -- the idea of killing evolution instead of playing these debating games that we've been playing for nigh over a decade already." 3. When that failed, then creationists would ask that the schools at least present the "negative evidences" against evolution. Of course, if evolution is not taught, then no "negative evidences" need be taught.Please note that, since "creation science" is nothing but "negative evidences" against evolution, this "compromise" position is precisely the same thing as #2 -- balanced treatment has been described as a book with two chapters: Chapter One is evolution and Chapter Two is everything that's wrong with Chapter One. Please note that this is an example of creationists taking the exact same thing and superficially making it appear different so as to deceive the public. With the Arkansas and Louisiana laws having been struck down (the Lousiana law made it up the US Supreme Court and lost by 1987), "creation science" could no longer fool the courts, so the creationists needed another subterfuge which they found in "intelligent design". That was struck down recently in Dover, so now the courts are also wise to ID. Once again, the creationists need a new subterfuge, which is this new "teach the weaknesses" deception. As you have helped to verify. Edited by dwise1, : cleaned up formatting
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5951 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Why can't they just be honest and admit that it's all a religious viewpoint that is behind their efforts? Why do they have to pretend to do science, and when that fails to try to destroy science or change how science is conducted (read Behe's testimony at Dover)? Epperson vs Arkansas, 1968. That's how they lost their 4-decades-old "monkey laws" and could no longer have the teaching of evolution banned for religious reasons. That is when they started their deception of "religion has nothing to do with it; we object to evolution for purely scientific reasons." And the deception just keeps changing its clothes every time it's exposed. Just like we're seeing now. {When you search for God, y}ou can't go to the people who believe already. They've made up their minds and want to convince you of their own personal heresy. ("The Jehovah Contract", AKA "Der Jehova-Vertrag", by Viktor Koman, 1984) Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the world. (from filk song "Word of God" by Dr. Catherine Faber, No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.echoschildren.org/CDlyrics/WORDGOD.HTML) Of course, if Dr. Mortimer's surmise should be correct and we are dealing with forces outside the ordinary laws of Nature, there is an end of our investigation. But we are bound to exhaust all other hypotheses before falling back upon this one.(Sherlock Holmes in The Hound of the Baskervilles) Gentry's case depends upon his halos remaining a mystery. Once a naturalistic explanation is discovered, his claim of a supernatural origin is washed up. So he will not give aid or support to suggestions that might resolve the mystery. Science works toward an increase in knowledge; creationism depends upon a lack of it. Science promotes the open-ended search; creationism supports giving up and looking no further. It is clear which method Gentry advocates.("Gentry's Tiny Mystery -- Unsupported by Geology" by J. Richard Wakefield, Creation/Evolution Issue XXII, Winter 1987-1988, pp 31-32) It is a well-known fact that reality has a definite liberal bias.Robert Colbert on NPR
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