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Fosdick 
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Message 128 of 177 (470753)
06-12-2008 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by randman
06-12-2008 1:08 AM


Questions for randman
randman, I have two questions for you (assuming that they are new to this thread):
1. Are you aware that at the core Darwin’s evo theory there is a principle discovered by Thomas Malthus: Populations naturally grow geometrically, while their food supplies grow arithmetically. This means that, eventually, a population will produce more individuals than can be sustained by its food supply. When the necessary winnowing occurs, who do you suppose will be eliminated first? On Malthus’ principle of population alone, you know that the weak ones will be eliminated first. The rest of evo theory is just an explanation of how that process unfolds.
2. Have you ever considered that maybe Darwin’s evo theory is a Creation-friendly explanation of how God did it ” how He managed to make the process work? Newton discovered the law of gravitation, believing that it explained how God organized the physical world. Why couldn’t Darwin have done the same thing for the biological world?
If you cared to look at evo theory this way, you might see that:
quote:
There is grandeur in this view of life with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, while this planet has gone circling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.
”C. Darwin (from his conclusion to The origin of Species
Why couldn't you reconcile the whole dispute this way?
”HM

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Fosdick 
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Message 130 of 177 (470775)
06-12-2008 2:54 PM
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06-12-2008 2:05 PM


Re: Questions for randman
randman writes:
It just doesn't fit the data, nor explain it. Maybe some other evo theory will, but not NeoDarwinism.
This must be a personal thing for you, which is certainly OK with me. For me, the data fit and they explain quite a bit. In fact, there is so must empirical evidence for ND that you'd have to be blind or worse not to see it. But if you don't choose to see it, that's OK with me.
Are you sure you're not looking for some kind of binding "life force"”elan vital, or something? If you are then it's good to know that none has ever been detected.
”HM
Edited by Hoot Mon, : No reason given.

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Message 146 of 177 (470903)
06-13-2008 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Percy
06-05-2008 1:28 PM


Weaknesses of the Discover Institute
Percy writes:
From today's New York Times: Opponents of Evolution Adopting a New Strategy.
From the linked article:
quote:
Already, legislators in a half-dozen states ” Alabama, Florida, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri and South Carolina ” have tried to require that classrooms be open to “views about the scientific strengths and weaknesses of Darwinian theory,” according to a petition from the Discovery Institute, the Seattle-based strategic center of the intelligent design movement.
I have had a brief and bitter association with the Seattle-based Discovery Institute. It is a sham of the highest order, and it has NOTHING to do with "discovery," unless one needs to discover why Christians can't see over the wall of true believership. When it speaks of "weaknesses" in Darwinian evo theory, the DI prefers miracles over facts to get at "the truth," and it wants those miracles advertised in biology text books. The one fellow I tried to reason with over there was out to change biology textbooks because "they don't reflect the recent discoveries of inconsistencies in the fossil record." I pointed out to him that the Bible doesn't reflect recent discoveries in the archeological record, so why isn't he out to correct its "weaknesses," too. He said, "The Holy Bible is the word of God and there are no weaknesses in it."
We left it there. And I was left with the familiar reminder that you can't reason with people who have chosen to put themselves in a faith-based prison for the sake of their religious motives.
”HM

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