Gay Marriage

Personally I don't see how anybody who possesses genitals can seriously assert that homosexuality (or any other -sexuality) is a choice, you know well that you never chose your turn ons and turn offs, you discovered them. Could you yourself choose to be gay? Could you through force of will make yourself become aroused by penises? If you think you could, then I have some news for you...

Did I have to explicitly state that it is between different gender pairs? I thought that was pretty easy to grasp from the wording of my statement. I really hope you're not intending to go down the "all sex is for procreation" road...What Nem and others don't seem to grasp is that there is a difference between "minority behavior" and "deviant behavior".Premarital abstinence in America is a minority behavior, but under Nems characterization/equivocations, I could very easily call it a deviant behavior. Would that be a fair description - abstinence as deviant?My problem is when he takes two consensual acts and compares one of them - and specifically/purposefully not the other - to a non consensual act that is not an analog for either of them and then takes issue with accusations of equivocation.
Edited by PMOC, : No reason given.

Would someone please explain the joke to me? It has been going on too long and through too many hands to be an error. What am I missing?AbE: Thanks, kjsimoms (post #94), but why is NemJug continuing to use it too?
AbE: Sorry, Taz (post #96). Sticking my foot in it is how I roll.
AbE: Hey, I got Taz's joke (post #104) without being told, and the new guy didn't. (Hi, new guy.)Edited by lyx2no, : Too not waste posts.Edited by lyx2no, : Spelling.Edited by lyx2no, : Saving space for dessert.Edited by lyx2no, : Catharsis.

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KindlyThere is a spider by the water pipe.

In message 46 of this thread Nemeis_Juggernaut improperly used the word 'equivocate'. We all knew what he meant to say so we didn't bother to correct his word usage and most everyone thereafter continued to use the word.

All right, Nosey, let's do something else. Let's keep "marriage" in the law and agree that it applies only to heterosexual civil unions, as it should. Then let's cop a new word for gays”"garried," "fairied," queeried," I don't really care what it is, so long as it's not "marriage"”and put that in the law for same-sex civil unions. Would you prefer that?The simplest thing to do is to take "marriage" out of the law and let the churches have jurisdiction over it. The First Amendment would be friendly to that. Then everybody's happy: the straights can rest in comfort that their sacred institution is properly protected, and the gays can go out and get "married" in any homophilic church they please and enjoy everything the straights do except straight sex. Too bad for them, though, because straight sex has got to be a lot better than a honeymoon up the Hershey Highway with your best pal from the YMCA.”HMEdited by Hoot Mon, : The Village People got to me.

Remember the smart people thread? Nem misused the word but instead of correcting him we all just went along with it. Now, be a nice little boy and don't stir up any trouble.

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I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

The simplest thing to do is butt out. If nothing is done whatsoever, except allow Gays to marry, it will all be done.What complications do you see? The objection you've come up with, "being personally involved if it's in the law because laws are 'by the people'." cannot be expected to give you some form of veto else it would have to apply equally to everyone with every law. Wa'da'ya bet I can find folks who would use their veto to nix murder laws. That 's simple alright.

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KindlyThere is a spider by the water pipe.

Once upon a time, the gays did me in:My second wife was a Wiccan. She belonged to the Seattle chapter of Wiccans called the “Coven of Celestial Tides.” Our wedding, which was presided over by a very fat Eminent Supreme Wiccan, had an interesting feature: we had the Good Fairies of Seattle to guard our wedding ceremony and keep out the evil spirits, the dead of Woden, and the Christian bigots. Thus, at our wedding, the fagots got the upper hand without even having to be ignited. I was allowed to attend the ceremony only because I was the groom. Afterwards, at the reception, the Good Fairies and most of the Wiccans were very cold towards me. I had too much testosterone oozing out of my pores, and they couldn’t bear the thought of me having heterosexual sex with my beautiful bride that night to consummate our marriage in the usual way.Indeed it was a queer affair in my life. Sadly, our marriage lasted less than a year. I figured the Coven of Celestial Tides and the Good Fairies of Seattle put a curse on it. However, this has nothing whatsoever to do with my opposition to “gay marriage.” I would never let a bunch of witches and queers compromise my objectivity. You'll have to take my word on that.”HM

I can see you were emotionally scarred for life, it must be why you have that nervous tic.TTFN,WK

Because sodomy (specifically anti-homosexuality) laws still existed in 1964 and Johnson actually wanted the Civil Rights Act to pass. Sexual Orientation has been addressed in later legislation.
Besides, your question is just a misdirection. I made the point to refute your claim that non-discrimination legislation only addressed characteristics that were heritable. I think the separate but equal fantasy has already been addressed. I suppose that you also thought interracial marriage should have been given a different name (miscegenatal union?) before SCOTUS took it out of the public's hands.

Muahahahahahahahah!Seriously, hoot. Once upon a time, I was in middle school. Yes, I was once a kid. While I was in line for lunch, a really big nigger just shoved everyone over and made his way up the line. When he got to me, I stood my ground and shoved him back. Now, remember that this guy was at least twice as big as I was. I also noticed that he was hiding food that he eventually didn't pay for.Later that day while I was in the bathroom, that same nigger came in to the bathroom with 4 other niggers. 2 guarded the door and 2 held me to the wall while the big one slapped me up and down and yelled the typical nigger slangs into my face. He ended it with a climatic punch in the stomach.See, I've always been somewhat of a racist. To this day, I still have irrational negative feelings toward black people. And I assure you, these feelings have no rational basis whatsoever. It's just something that got stuck in my psyche.You'll have to take my word for it that my somewhat recurring racist feelings do not interfere with how I see Obama. Now, who the fuck would believe that last sentence?

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I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

By invoking an "interracial marriage" comparison to "same-sex marriage" you are assuming they are actually comparable. I don't believe they are, simply because that which causes a black man to be black is not anything like that which causes a gay man to be gay.”HM

Wow... some interesting comments here. Admittedly, I didn't make it through the whole thread, but just thought I would add a simple opinion.The seperation of church and state is ultimately the best guidepost here. The government does not have the right to restrict marriage. Conversely, the government also cannot force the church to accept it. If a gay couple wants to get married, and they can find a church, seperate minister, or DMV that is willing to do it... the government should not stand in their way. With that said, if a particular church refused to marry a gay couple, the government could not step in and force the church to do it.In either situation, the government must remain neutral.

God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.The Bill of Rights gives you freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

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I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

Taz, did you have some kind of a point to make here with all your racist epithets? Or are you still working on your creative writing skills?”HM