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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4927 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
The idea Jefferson was referring to did not originate with him and does not correspond to the modern concept of separation of Church and State. The term originated with the Anabaptists (actually further back with the Donatists), and it is significant Jefferson uses this term in a letter to the Baptists. It's far removed from the modern interpretation of the phrase.
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Dont Be a Flea Member (Idle past 5790 days) Posts: 79 From: Merritt Island FL Joined: |
Why are you not angry at the creationist websites that gave you information about Nebraska man for misrepresenting the scientific community's opinions on the incident, and its significance? I am not angry at anyone. I am simply questioning. Did I ever say I was angry? Passionate maybe, but angry, no. I was insulted numerous times on this thread and with the exception of one person agreeing with me, I am alone on this tread. Did I ever insult any of you? I don’t think so.
Why aren't you upset at the creationist lie to you? We are not talking about creationist lies on this thread I don’t see how finding lies in one thing takes them away from another. Sort of like . .I killed a man, but the guy in the cell next to me killed 2 men, therefore I’m innocent. ???????
You appear to be biased by now Of course I’m questioning evolution and the holes therein. If you are an evolutionist or Darwinist, then you are biased against a creationist.
instead of admitting your error and getting angry at the creationist lies, you now go off on rants about how science doesn't have a monopoly on truth (it never claimed to do so). What's the dealio? I am not angry nor am I ranting. We aren’t discussing creationist lies again, but you may submit that topic to the admins for approval and we can start a new thread. Perhaps I should be replacing all the terms “science” and “scientist” with “evolution” and “Darwinists”. That is who I have the real issue with.
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Dont Be a Flea Member (Idle past 5790 days) Posts: 79 From: Merritt Island FL Joined: |
Calm the pack down there Coyote.
I will not drop Nebraska man, It was a misrepresentation of the proof of evolution. Call it a mistake, hoax, uh-oh or whatever. I never said that everyone always deliberately forges everything all the time. I think evolutionists are so eager to prove what they believe, and they need notoriety and funding, that they will rush to a conclusion with insufficient data. Working on more fossil record misques. You guys must have awesome jobs to be able to post up all hours of the day. I have trouble juggling this forum with every day life. It may take me longer.
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Dont Be a Flea Member (Idle past 5790 days) Posts: 79 From: Merritt Island FL Joined: |
Im so glad we both beleive in THOR!
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Dont Be a Flea Member (Idle past 5790 days) Posts: 79 From: Merritt Island FL Joined: |
Hey there Jester,
This really isnt the thread, and I dont want to piss of the Admins, so we can drop the church-state arguement. Cool?
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Alasdair Member (Idle past 5777 days) Posts: 143 Joined: |
We are not talking about creationist lies on this thread I don’t see how finding lies in one thing takes them away from another. Sort of like . .I killed a man, but the guy in the cell next to me killed 2 men, therefore I’m innocent. ??????? Way to completely miss the point. There was no fraud about Nebraska man. there was no lying about Nebraska man. The only lie or fraud here was the creationist website who misrepresented the incident. Why isn't that being questioned? Do you have any more "evolutionist frauds" to share with us?
Of course I’m questioning evolution and the holes therein. If you are an evolutionist or Darwinist, then you are biased against a creationist. You're completely ignoring a website that completely lied to you after going after evolutionists for "lying" (which it turns out they didn't.) This is true bias. You're not just questioning. You are clearly biased against the theory of evolution. If you aren't, prove it. you are the OP of this thread - share with us more evolutionist frauds and lies than Nebraska man. You said there are a lot, right? Do you accept that Nebraska man is a non issue now that you know the facts? These two questions have yet to be answered.
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Alasdair Member (Idle past 5777 days) Posts: 143 Joined: |
You are a dishonest, dishonest person.
All that happened with Nebraska man is that a scientist found a tooth. He hypothesized that it could have belonged to a hominid. A popular science magazine illustrated this. This was not published in a scientific journal. He did not herald it as proof of evolution. 3 years later, scientists deduced that it was a pig's tooth, and that settled the question of if it was a hominid tooth. A scientist made a hypothesis, the hypothesis was then falsified. That is all there is to it. This is the scientific method. To call this fraud or a hoax is an extremely dishonest thing to do. I hope you are just a troll. Edited by Alasdair, : No reason given.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
The phrase separation of church and state is generally traced to a letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists, in which he referred to the First Amendment of the United States Constitution as creating a "wall of separation" between church and state. The phrase was then quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947. Jefferson did not originate the idea, only that specific wording to describe it. His life-long friend, James Madison, had described that very same idea in his Memorial and Remonstrance a few years before Madison would draft the First Amendment. In my reposting of that pamphlet at No webpage found at provided URL: http://members.aol.com/dwise1/rel_lib/memorial.html, I note:
quote: Let us give credit where it is due. Edited by dwise1, : No reason given.
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Alasdair Member (Idle past 5777 days) Posts: 143 Joined: |
I think evolutionists are so eager to prove what they believe, and they need notoriety and funding, that they will rush to a conclusion with insufficient data. Yes, so eager that they rush ahead to a conclusion with insufficient data... Sort of like how you present Nebraska man as a fraud without reading into what actually happened, right? You're aware that "rushing into conclusions", falsifying data, misrepresenting facts, etc WILL be found out in science and you'll lose your reputation and research grants, right? It's not something that science system encourages, but is actively discouraged. Especially since many scientists have made their names by overturning long standing theories/hypotheses. I don't know why I'm replying, I'm pretty sure you are a troll.
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BeagleBob Member (Idle past 5704 days) Posts: 81 Joined: |
quote: You know, hypothetically, what if these forums followed standard scientific practice and probated/banned those who engage in half-assed research, lies, or distortions in their posts? It'd be an interesting sight to see, for sure.
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
The problem you run into if you do that is that you end up with no more creationist posters.
Percy, the owner of this board, has been a bit more lenient with the non-evos so that the ratio of the board doesn't become 1000 to 1 evos to creos.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4927 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Percy, the owner of this board, has been a bit more lenient with the non-evos so that the ratio of the board doesn't become 1000 to 1 evos to creos. Maybe from his perspective, but I can guarantee you the other side of the debate considers the exact opposite to be the case. Not commenting negatively on board moderation, just pointing out that your post is an opinion and one not shared by the IDers and creationists here.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4927 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Madison didn't originate it either. It stems from Anabaptist theology and has absolutely nothing to do with trying to keep the government from acknowledging God, nor keeping God out of the science curriculum.
Edit to add: just realized this was not the right thread for this. Sorry to all. Won't post anymore here on church/state separation. Edited by randman, : No reason given.
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Dont Be a Flea Member (Idle past 5790 days) Posts: 79 From: Merritt Island FL Joined: |
A troll? Like the mythological bridge guard?
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Dont Be a Flea Member (Idle past 5790 days) Posts: 79 From: Merritt Island FL Joined: |
Alasdair, I would have never posted this thread if I didnt question evolution.
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