Gay Marriage

Would you care to tell me how the government is supposed to enforce religious morality without actually relying on a particular religion?Furthermore, your picket-line wisdom seems to indicate that everyone is free to make their own decisions about religion... but that they will still be bound by someone else's religion.You seriously read the establishment clause... and THAT's the rational conclusion you came to?

I think this can be a separate thread. It is a scientific question so it should be in misc. topics there. If you think you can support this statement (or, at least, explain what you mean) it would be interesting to have you open a thread.

I guess I find it stunning to the point of disbelief that anyone in this day and age could seriously consider even for a millisecond that homosexuality is a choice.And don't we basically know the loci for skin pigmentation? So, if anything, I guess we're closer to a cure for being born black than we are for being born gay. Should we fix that one for you Hoot Mon? I mean, who in their right mind would want to be born black when they could be born white instead?

I think he was joking

I can only hope so. I'm still a newbie around here, so I haven't learned everyone's blend of humor yet.

That depends what you mean, but it could well be that people who are primarily attracted to others of the same sex are born that way. It's biological enough to show in the brain: From this article (June 16, yesterday)

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The brains of gay men and women look like those found in heterosexual people of the opposite sex, research suggests.

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Dr Qazi Rahman, a lecturer in cognitive biology at Queen Mary, University of London, said that he believed that these brain differences were laid down early in foetal development.

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"As far as I'm concerned there is no argument any more - if you are gay, you are born gay," he said.

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There's still loads of unknowns about what makes sexuality, but it looks increasingly as though our basic orientation is biologically predetermined.I've just read on in the thread, and seen that Ned suggests you might open a thread on this.

Let's not forget that there's strong evidence indicating a powerful correlation between genetic relationship and homosexuality:Gay Men in Twin Study - The New York TimesIt's certainly not something purely genetic, but it looks like genes are definitely a component. There's also been evidence that gayness is developmental or epigenetic, and some factors are environmental.For the most part though, the biological basis of homosexuality is well-documented.

This country was founded on Christian principles. It should have remained so. The only reason this country is going downward is because we are allowing heathens and heretics to roam freely on our streets. It's time Christians should take back this country. Jesus is the only way toward salvation. If you want to live in this country that was founded on Christian principles, then following Christ is the only right way to live your life. I don't need to read anything to know that this country was founded on Christian princples. The founding fathers were Christians. This is one nation under GOD.

OK...now you're even starting to scare me

Yes it appears Taz has gone over to the dark (unenlightened) side!

Taz doesn't believe any of that. He's trolling for the gay movement.”HM

It's called a preemptive strike. In a thread like this, there's bound to be someone that will say the exact words I just said. Thought I'd get it out of the way first.

Yes. One is legal and the other is not. You can be arrested for assault and battery for having an impromptu boxing match in the street. I don't ignore it. I'm simply showing that this qualifier fails to explain why something is illegal or legal in the first place. Incest, between two consenting adults, is legal. Consent does not remove anything. Prostitution is between two consenting adults. It does not remove anything. Having an extra-marital affair is between consenting adults. Consent does not remove anything. Consenting to have Jack Kevorkian assist in suicide is between consenting adults. Consent does not remove anything.Therefore, consent between adults is not the sole qualifier here. I have pointed this out, time and again, but it seems to be ignored. It should stand to reason then that people who want gay marriage also need to give a reason why one is rejected and the other accepted, as long as we're dealing with consenting adults.So what I am saying now, and have been saying throughout this thread, is you picking one invariably denies the others rights under the very pretenses you advocate homosexual marriage. If barring two consenting adults from marrying is bigoted, then so is barring any other consenting adults for any other reason. Understand now? First of all the societal aversion towards homosexuality didn't begin with one religious tome, and it hasn't ended with it either. Pretty much all societies have rejected it, save fallen Rome and Athens. You can't indict a religion with it, anymore than you could give sole credit to Moses as being the arbiter of homicide.Secondly, nothing separates anything else either by the same rationale.

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“I know where I am and who I am. I'm on the brink of disillusionment, on the eve of bitter sweet. I'm perpetually one step away from either collapse or rebirth. I am exactly where I need to be. Either way I go towards rebirth, for a total collapse often brings a rebirth." -Andrew Jaramillo

That article is pretty old”1991. I tried to google something more recent on the causes of homosexuality”not a whole a lot out there. It seems as though science has not yet pinned it down. Discovering a gay gene would really do the trick. But the causes of gayness seem to be so subtle that personal choice can't be ruled out.However, I lay a lot to the genes, and I'm guessing a genetic link to gayness will be discovered someday. Then they can fix it and everybody will be straight, unless they choose to be otherwise.”HM

Both of you. This doesn't belong here.I'll close it if you want to change the topic to that degree. You are now trying to discuss the science of it all.