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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5526 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5526 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
RE: The causes of heterosexuality and homosexuality:
WHEREAS: Heterosexual orientation is the undisputable cause of human babies and every other kind of baby you could possibly think of, with the only exceptions being binary fission, parthenogenesis, and cloning. WHEREAS: Heterosexual orientation is a genetic condition that is accountable in humans by the genes on their X and Y chromosomes. WHEREAS: Heterosexual orientation evolved as the key mechanism for facilitating a populations’ dynamic equilibrium and its resistence to Darwinian natural selection. WHEREAS: Homosexual orientation does not cause babies in any species, nor is the cause of homosexual orientation known to science. WHEREAS; Homosexual orientation did not evolve to facilitate a population’s dynamic equilibrium or its struggle against Darwinian natural selection; in fact, it may be a mechanism that suppresses a population’s ability to resist NS. THEREFORE: Heterosexual orientation is entirely consistent with biological principles that improve a population’s wellbeing, while homosexual orientation is detrimental to a population’s wellbeing because it does nothing to protect it from the ravages of Darwinian NS. Does science know enough about homosexual orientation to refute any of the WHEREAS statements and alter the THEREFORE statement? ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5526 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
BeagleBob writes:
BB, is it fair to call any of these examples a true form of homosexuality? I've seen dogs hump pillows, babies, and people's legs, but that doesn't prove they're homosexual. I used to be a member of the YMCA, but that didn't make me gay. In wolves, mounting behavior between males is done to establish a dominance hierarchy. The same is true for rabbits, though humping behaviors persist even after neutering and is done by both genders. In bonobo chimps, lesbianism helps ease the stresses of inter-population migration. This last observation would seem to be a distinct positive effect. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5526 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Larni writes:
I don't see how homosexuality could be beneficial to a population's evenly proportioned reproductive success amongst individuals, which is required to prevent NS. Homosexuals don't seek out relationships that participate in a population's reproductive activity. As such, they may even degrade it into a state of vulnerability when NS comes to call. Maybe homosexuality is an acquired disease of populations that weakens them to the ravages of NS. Such a theory could argued on the grounds that NS is defined as "differential reproductive success amongst individuals of a population." HM writes: Hootmon writes:homosexual orientation is detrimental to a population’s wellbeing because it does nothing to protect it from the ravages of Darwinian NS. You have not however shown that it is detrimental. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5526 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
WW writes:
Nah! I'm sticking with it. If a man's penis is not heterosexually oriented toward a woman vagina (not I'm getting hot, even at my age) he will not get where he needs to go to make a baby. I don't believe homosexuals care to be oriented in the said same way. Orientation has everything to do with it.
HM writes:
Incorrect. Heterosexual sex is the major cause of human babies, not orientation. Certainly the prevalence of heterosexual orientation leads to a whole lot of heterosexual sex, but it isn't a prerequisite. Heterosexual orientation is the undisputable cause of human babies. Or do you mean that sex is determined by genetics, because once again that is quite distinct from sexual?
Is there something you know of about sexuality that is not determined by genetics? I don't believe heterosexuality is a developmental process. Do you? I don't know what kind of a process homosexuality is. Does anybody know?
in fact, it may be a mechanism that suppresses a population’s ability to resist NS.
A completely bald assertion, do you have anything at all to back this up? Yes. Your THEREFORE statement is based on completely made up principles supported by nothing but bald assertion.
No more bald than the assertion that gays need to get "married." Or the assertion that they became homosexuals by an act of nature that resembles the way black people become pigmented. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5526 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
bluescat writes:
Because the Village People seemed to be a little light in their loafers when they scored their hit "YMCA." ...what has the YMCA got to do with a person being homosexual? ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5526 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
subbie writes:
I'd like to give it up. But I really want to know what causes homosexuals and why they are like blacks. All we've got to go on are bald assertions. I must say, your continued assault on other people's sexuality is rather amusing, and a little embarrassing. I for one would appreciate it if you'd give it up. btw: I already know what causes heterosexual orientation, and without it no pecking penis will ever find its proper place where babies are made. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5526 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Taz writes:
I really think it's good stuff, Taz, very interesting. I'll be using it as a good reference in this discussion. Thanks for sharing it. Are you suggesting that gay sheep might make good partners for gay men? Wedding bells, maybe, out in the pasture?
Hoot, we discussed about this at great lengths just last year. Seriously, are you senile?
The last time I checked I wasn't. But I do drop a lot of acid. ”HM Edited by Hoot Mon, : No reason given.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5526 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Taz writes:
I like the metaphor. And I suppose you're right. But whatever it is that causes homosexuality is still unknown to science, as I have argued before. It helps to think of this in terms of computer programming. Some programs may behave slightly different than what the programmer intended. Most of the time, it's not because of a single line of code but rather a combination codes that could form unexpected protocols or subroutines.”HM Edited by Hoot Mon, : No reason given.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5526 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
subbie writes:
I am certain I know what caused my heterosexuality. I can't speak for women and their heterosexuality, but I can say for sure that I got it from my Y chromosome. If another man has a Y chromosome, just as I do, then I don't know why he prefers to have sex with men instead of women. It is up to him to explain why this is NOT an aberration of the normal male condition, and also to explain why it deserves access to heterosexual institutions. On the other hand, you seem to think that sexual intercourse is the only way to conceive a child. Your ignorance in that area strongly suggests that your professed knowledge of what causes heterosexual orientation might not be quite as certain as you claim. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5526 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Deftil writes:
Thanks, Deftil. Interesting discovery indeed. However, it made me ask if the brains of musicians, for example, would show roughly the same kind of differences to the brain's of non-musicians. Call it "exercising the brain muscle," which of course is voluntary. I saw an article about homosexuals brain's being structured like those of the opposite sex that came out a few days ago. There appears to be even more evidence about the strength of biological causes for homosexuality.
Gay brains structured like those of the opposite sex (NewScientist. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5526 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Corygyps writes:
Oh but please do! I'd be very interested in anything that scientifically links gays to mutants. It most assuredly is in Drosophila melanogaster aka the common fruit fly. There is a mutant where the males only sniff out other males and try to mate with them. If work weren't so busy right now I'd go find a link.... ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5526 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
BeagleBob writes:
Links to my heterosexuality: XY chromosomal configuration ”> testicles ”> testosterone ”> heterosexuality. Can't speak for either women or gays, though. Heterosexuality in the crude sense certainly isn't Y-chromosome-dictated... after all, women are heterosexual. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5526 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
bluescat writes:
Can't speak for squids, but here in Bremerton, WA, they seem to be more interested in fighting each other than fucking each other. They also recorded "In the Navy" Does that mean all sailors are gay?You are implying Guilt by association. ”HM Edited by Hoot Mon, : No reason given.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5526 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Coragyps, very interesting and relevant to this thread. Thanks. From the Nature article:
quote:While your article is pretty good, I think, it doesn't have much to say that about the benefits bestowed upon to a population that must endure those queer mutations. However, at the very least, it lays such queer characteristics at the feet of genetic predisposition. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5526 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Nosey, from your cited article:
quote:This seems awfully relevant here. It suggests that a population may contain a fecundity function that is affected by homosexuality. This is huge! It implies that NS ” differential reproduction amongst individuals across a population ” is enhanced by homosexuality. Is this a good thing for a population's dynamic equilibrium? Or is it a good thing for Darwinian NS? ”Hm
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