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crashfrog

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Message 16 of 88 (47219)
07-23-2003 10:46 PM

Reply to: Message 14 by zephyr
07-23-2003 10:08 PM

Just remember that many Christians are very outspoken about who is going to hell and who isn't, and it irks a lot of us heathens, so we can be somewhat touchy

I try not to be. What would piss me off about being told I'm headed for a place that doesn't exist? If anything it's kind of funny.

But I do try to keep my own feelings about the destination of Christians to myself, and not mention that the puzzlement I suspect they'll feel in the hereafter brings a slight smile to my face.

Oops, too late.

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crashfrog

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Message 47 of 88 (47920)
07-29-2003 3:59 PM

Reply to: Message 46 by Jake22
07-29-2003 3:20 PM

I guess you'd have to ask yourself what is worse, sinning against man and repenting, or sinning against God and not repenting?

Which causes the most harm? Sinning against people, I would think. Sinning against God can't really be that much of an inconvinience for him, after all. Whereas theft or murder can really ruin your week, no matter how contrite the sinner may be at the end of the day...

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Message 59 of 88 (48240)
07-31-2003 5:59 PM

Reply to: Message 50 by Jake22
07-30-2003 8:59 PM

Sounds like he took care of that part. Of course, many people don't accept the Bible, and by doing so they deny the very evidence that you call for. You say it's disingenuous for God to leave us without evidence, and then you do all within your power and beyond to discredit and disregard this very evidence

If the Bible is true, how is it that it can be so easily disproven and refuted? Surely the truth can withstand inquiry?

If you have to accept the Bible without query, without discernment, without putting it under the microscope, how is it at all evidence?

I have been blessed to have experienced God in a very personal and supernatural way, but it was only after I submitted to him.

If the evidence it takes to believe is only accessable/revealed after you already believe, then it's not evidence for your belief. It's just circular reasoning with faith-based blinders.

Real evidence is objective. Real evidence is convincing no matter what belief you already have - assuming you're of a mind to go with what evidence implies.

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