The Prophecy of the 70 weeks of Daniel

Like Rome, Greece was inclined in conquering nations - including Macedonia. Daniel was exiled in Babylon when Greece conquered Persia, which was soon after Daniel made prophesy. In a sense, such prophesies are of small merit, because it says the obvious: nations will conquer each other. Daniel is one of the smaller prophets, and not in the category of Joseph, Moses, David, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremaya.Daniel's prophesy brilliance is he saw the big picture, and would have said the same of Rome - despite that nation's boasting all roads lead to it. If Daniel was referring to Greece - this was of a transitory super-power with a small life span, and one which was soon conquered by another.Whatever the current political issues with modern greece and a newly assumed Macedonia, the fact is that Alexander was a Macedonian, and his actions of translating the OT is transcendent of any wars between past nations. In a sense, Greece was inclined in negating Alex's actions - but failed in this quest: Monotheism won over Polytheism.Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

Daniel's prophecy was 'brilliant', in that the writer of the Book of Daniel wrote as it if was written 400 years before it actually was.After the fact prophecies impress only the gullible

But their denial, when exposed as ignorant, unbased, and biased toward their belief system is always a nice thing to have well exposed. Some may have been tempted to take their fairy tales dressed as science, on other topics somewhat seriously.

Thanks for running into the only crack you could retreat to there, it is inevitable. Try to prove that silly crock, that Daniel was written after the fact, now, and let's have some real fun. Let the games begin.Oh, wait. You can't. Too bad for your side.

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Two? Where are they? Must have missed that.

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They're both there. One comes after the first seven weeks. One is cut off after the sixty-two weeks.

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Right, I think he was a good guy too. Why else would he get named long long before he was born by scripture!!?

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But you still think it's ridiculous to cal him a messiah even though Daniel does so.
(And Isaiah 45 is another "prophecy" written after the fact.)

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The wall and etc was to be built again, that is a division point. Messiah comes, and city destroyed etc, another one. Each is marked out, for example, the 62 weeks, is it not? Why do you think that is, just to make your replies silly??

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Those are points where somethign happens. Not gaps. Even you don't beleive that there is a gap of some arbitrary number of years between the first seven weeks and the following sixty-two. No, you boast that it works out "exactly" with NO gap at all. But when it comes to the last week - you insist of putting in a gap of coming up for 2000 years - with no justification form the text.

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Of course there is, unless you think everlasting righteouness is here now??

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Of course there isn't - unless you think it's less than 490 years since whichever start date you choose.The fact that "everalasting righteousness" is NOT here proves that the prophecy failed. [quote] Of course there is, unless you think everlasting righteouness is here now??Of course there is, unless you think everlasting righteouness is here now??

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The kingdom to follow the kindoms NAMED by no less than the arcangel of God himself, could not be named, cause it won't have the same name. Get it?? But it is described in details that look more like history than prophesy!!

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I get it. You're desperately making excuses. The name ROme isn't mentioned because God isn't able to use that name ? Why not ?And the "details" certainly aren't that good a prediction of Rome.

Naming all the major kingdoms of the world important to God's chosen area is of absolute merit. If it is so easy let's see you name what power will ascend, the US, or Russia, or, China, or whatever?? Let's see you do it over a time span of thousands of years, with details so striking, many have felt it was after the fact! Then, pin down when the Messiah would die, and let's see you get Gabriel to be active in all your talk!! Then tell us if and when Jerusalem will be utterly destroyed, or the temple, if there was one, and by who when!!? Name a king a century and a half before he is born! Tell us how that the great king of the Greco Macedonian kingdom would come to his end and his kingdom left to other than his kin?? Tell us how the Jews would be taken captive, and for exactly how many years, and how they would return!!??
I could go on for hours and hours here, your attempt at trivialization is simply an admission of being ignorant of the facts.

How modern politically correct people want to print flags is not an issue. The Greco Macedonian empire was not just the one or the other, get over it. Greece had a lot to do with it.

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Srarman, now you see why over the years I've engaged in few prophecy debates with folks who will never admit to one regardless of the evidence.

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Starman is getting hammered for the same reasons you do. He doesn't know what the Bible says. He can't be bothered to do proper reaearch. He can't even be bothered to understand the arguments he's trying to respond to.The seventy weeks are a perfect example. The EVIDENCE says that the prophecy isn't about Jesus and that in the end the prophecy failed.Even if you choose the start date you want, even if you rig the calculation by inventing a 360 day year the events after the messsiah is cut off don't happen in the seven years left of the prophecy.Some of them still haven't happened, nearly 2000 years later.The evidence even says that the events of the time of Antiochus IV Epiphanes are a far better fit for the predictions of that final "week".But you reject all that evidence.You won't even discuss Daniel 8, preferring to go off on a silly tangent trying to attack my perfectly correct use of the term "Macedonian Empire" to describe Alexander's Empire. Now that's a good example of "Bibliophobia".

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They're both there. One comes after the first seven weeks. One is cut off after the sixty-two weeks.

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Where is the one after the 49 years? Cyrus??? That is absurd, if that is the claim. Being anointed for some job does not make one the Saviour.

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But you still think it's ridiculous to cal him a messiah even though Daniel does so.
(And Isaiah 45 is another "prophecy" written after the fact.)

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Unsupported assertions! Nonsense as well. Prove it.

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Those are points where somethign happens. Not gaps. Even you don't beleive that there is a gap of some arbitrary number of years between the first seven weeks and the following sixty-two. No, you boast that it works out "exactly" with NO gap at all. But when it comes to the last week - you insist of putting in a gap of coming up for 2000 years - with no justification form the text.

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Gaps?? There are no gaps, just times within the given prophesy time where stuff happens. You seem quite confused. Maybe it is good you have a fresh look at what actually is going on here. [quote] Of course there isn't - unless you think it's less than 490 years since whichever start date you choose.The fact that "everalasting righteousness" is NOT here proves that the prophecy failed.

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Of course there is, unless you think everlasting righteouness is here now??

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Of course there is, unless you think everlasting righteouness is here now??

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The everlasting righteousness is the end result, not something we find mid span in the allotted time for the prophesy. First we have certain things, like Messiah being killed, the city destroyed, and etc. The final week, the big event, the long foretold latter days, the final scene is yet to be fulfilled. It is still prophesy, rather than history!!! Looking at history, we can be certain that Gabriel was bang on, however, the final 7 years can be considered as good as a done deal, that has not happened yet.

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I get it. You're desperately making excuses. The name ROme isn't mentioned because God isn't able to use that name ? Why not ?

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And the "details" certainly aren't that good a prediction of Rome.

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They sure are, Rome's taxation, iron rule, and etc are fantastic. The name Rome, or Roman empire, I surmise will not be the final name of the kingdoms, that came from that empire, and are a final manifestation of it. Therefore, do you really think an archangel would use the name of only the first bit of the old part of the kingdom??? Doesn't make any sense! But the fourth beast was, and is, and is yet to come. It was as the Roman empire, it is as the remains of that kingdom, and it will be, as the reconstituted new Roman remains empire.

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The evidence even says that the events of the time of Antiochus IV Epiphanes are a far better fit for the predictions of that final "week".

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Absolute bunk. No everlasting righteousness was brought in by that terd. He was a mere forerunner, also ran, shadow of the final king, that will be the devil in the flesh, by direct possession.

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Where is the one after the 49 years? Cyrus??? That is absurd, if that is the claim. Being anointed for some job does not make one the Saviour.

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I didn't say anything abvout him being a "Saviour". I said that he was a messiah. Just as Isiah 45:1 says that he was a messiah.

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Unsupported assertions! Nonsense as well. Prove it.

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You're the one that claims that it was a prediction. You prove that.

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Gaps?? There are no gaps, just times within the given prophesy time where stuff happens. You seem quite confused. Maybe it is good you have a fresh look at what actually is going on here.

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Okay. If there are no gaps then you have only 490 years from the start date for the entire prophecy. And only 7 years after the (second) messiah is "cut off" for Jerusalem to be stormed, a peace deal lasting a few years to be agreed, the sacrifices to be forbidden in the Temple and the abomination to be set up there.Let's see how you work that.

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The everlasting righteousness is the end result, not something we find mid span in the allotted time for the prophesy.

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Which is what I said. It appears at the end of the prophecy - 490 years after the start date. And since it is far more than 490 years since any of the possible start dates, the prophecy failed. Remmber you said that there were no gaps so 490 years is all you've got.

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First we have certain things, like Messiah being killed, the city destroyed, and etc. The final week, the big event, the long foretold latter days, the final scene is yet to be fulfilled. It is still prophesy, rather than history!!! Looking at history, we can be certain that Gabriel was bang on, however, the final 7 years can be considered as good as a done deal, that has not happened yet.

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Unless you are proposing a gap how can it be that the last 7 years of the 490 years haven't happened yet ? Is your start date some time after 1500 AD ?

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They sure are, Rome's taxation, iron rule, and etc are fantastic. The name Rome, or Roman empire, I surmise will not be the final name of the kingdoms, that came from that empire, and are a final manifestation of it. Therefore, do you really think an archangel would use the name of only the first bit of the old part of the kingdom???

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Why not mention the name Rome in the bits that supposedly predict Rome. (Not that you have any perfect details).And can you explain why these supposed "kingdoms" could possibly be xonsidered the "final form" of the Roman Empire, given that the last remnant of that Empire was destroyed in the 15th Century ?

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Absolute bunk. No everlasting righteousness was brought in by that terd. He was a mere forerunner, also ran, shadow of the final king, that will be the devil in the flesh, by direct possession.

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Regardless of your opinion, Antichus DID storm the city. Antiochus DID ban Jewish sacrifices. And Antiochus DID set up what Jews call "the abomination that causes desolation".None of those happened in the seven years after Jesus died.So it's not bunk. It's a fact.Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.

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I didn't say anything abvout him being a "Saviour". I said that he was a messiah. Just as Isiah 45:1 says that he was a messiah.

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Oh, is that what you said? OK. So?? Was there supposed to be a point? I am sorry, but discussing some Persian king as a Messiah is a pathetic joke. You OK with that??

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You're the one that claims that it was a prediction. You prove that.

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Oh, so now Gabriel and Daniel were not predicting anything. OK. What were they doing, bowling??

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Okay. If there are no gaps then you have only 490 years from the start date for the entire prophecy.

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So you accept that weeks are years now? OK. That is a start. The total prophesy covers 490 years, but the final period was not for many days. This is news? The gap there is not IN the prophesy, but in the time between Messiah being cut off, and etc, and the final week, or seven years. Of course.

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Which is what I said. It appears at the end of the prophecy - 490 years after the start date. And since it is far more than 490 years since any of the possible start dates, the prophecy failed. Remmber you said that there were no gaps so 490 years is all you've got.

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490 years, NOT after the start of the prophesy, but in the 70 weeks of the prophesy. If what you men by a gap is some time between one thing and another in the prophesy, yes, there is a time gap, within the 70 weeks. Of course.Ask the angel!Dan 10:14 - Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.

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I didn't say anything abvout him being a "Saviour". I said that he was a messiah. Just as Isiah 45:1 says that he was a messiah.

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Oh, is that what you said? OK. So?? Was there supposed to be a point? I am sorry, but discussing some Persian king as a Messiah is a pathetic joke. You OK with that??

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You're the one that claims that it was a prediction. You prove that.

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Oh, so now Gabriel and Daniel were not predicting anything. OK. What were they doing, bowling??

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Okay. If there are no gaps then you have only 490 years from the start date for the entire prophecy.

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So you accept that weeks are years now? OK. That is a start. The total prophesy covers 490 years, but the final period was not for many days. This is news? The gap there is not IN the prophesy, but in the time between Messiah being cut off, and etc, and the final week, or seven years. Of course.

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Which is what I said. It appears at the end of the prophecy - 490 years after the start date. And since it is far more than 490 years since any of the possible start dates, the prophecy failed. Remmber you said that there were no gaps so 490 years is all you've got.

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490 years, NOT after the start of the prophesy, but in the 70 weeks of the prophesy. If what you men by a gap is some time between one thing and another in the prophesy, yes, there is a time gap, within the 70 weeks. Of course.Ask the angel!Dan 10:14 - Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.

Yes, the pipsqueak was a forerunner, and shadow of things to come. So??