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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
quote: Huh? There isn't anything that gay people do that straight people don't. And "ordinary sex"? And you wonder why you keep getting tagged as a bigot. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
quote: And you wonder why you keep getting tagged as a bigot.
quote: Why not? We already know that "separate but equal" is unconstitutional, but you're saying that there is something different. What is it? Be specific. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
lyx2no responds to Hoot Mon:
quote: I'm reminded of Ron White's bit about how we're all "a little bit gay":
Ron White writes: I told him, "We're all gay, man. It's just to what extent are you gay." He says, "That's bullshit man, I ain't gay at all!" I said, "Yes you are and I'll prove it." He says, "Fine, prove it." I said to him, "All right. Do you like porn?" He says, "Yeah, I love porn, you know that." I said, "Do you only watch two women doing it?" He said, "Naw, I'll watch a man and a woman make love." I said, "Oh, do you want the guy to have a tiny, half-flaccid penis?" He said, "Naw, man, I like big, hard, throbbing co-- I did not know that about myself." Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
quote: You do realize that the leading clause and the terminating clause contradict each other, yes? If gay people are to get their civil rights, then it necessarily requires that the law sanction their marriage. Marriage is a fundamental right: Loving v. Virginia. Fundamental rights cannot be abridged on the basis of sexual orientation: Romer v. Evans, Lawrence v. Texas. Are you saying those cases were wrongly decided? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes:
quote: Let's not play dumb. That's exactly what it is.
quote: Huh? What "loop-holes"? Exactly what changes in the contract of marriage by allowing the participants to be of the same sex? What can two people of the same sex do in a marriage that two people of the opposite sex cannot? Why does the participants being of the same sex automatically allow something that the participants being of opposite sex do not? Why do you immediately jump to necrophilia when thinking of having sex with someone of your own sex when you don't have this fantasy when thinking of having sex with someone of the opposite sex? Be specific.
quote: Like what? Why does same-sex marriage necessarily lead to these "loop-holes" while mixed-sex marriage does not? Be specific.
quote: If you're worried that you'll marry someone of your own sex if you were legally allowed to, then get it tattooed on your chest to remind yourself: "For god's sake, don't marry another man!" Get it done in reverse letters so you can see it in the mirror every morning. Why is your quick factor the determining criterion for other people's rights? Who died and made you god? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4741 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
Why do you immediately jump to necrophilia when thinking of having sex with someone of your own sex . I immediately jump to necrophilia when when thinking of having sex with someone of the same sex except I want to be the one who's dead. Please, Hoot Mon, making jokes that make a point is one thing, but making jokes to avoid a point is a waste of everyones time. Would you answer the questions or admit you've not had anything valuable to say in the last 400 posts. Edited by lyx2no, : Wrong word. Edited by lyx2no, : Grammar; twice. Kindly There is a spider by the water pipe.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
quote: Huh? How? Are you talking about survivor's benefits? How would their marriage to someone of the same sex change that compared to their marriage to someone of the opposite sex? You seem to be arguing that gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry anybody. And for someone who was just arguing that gay people should be allowed to have a "civil union" with "all the same rights as marriage but without the name," it seems to be that you're arguing that this "civil union" would not come with commitant benefits to things like Social Security. So much for that "separate but equal" plan of yours. Right off the bat, you want to make the two contracts "separate and unequal." At any rate, Social Security is in no danger. The claims of it being "bankrupt" in whatever the popular number is to be used is nothing more than a Republican scare-tactic/talking point. In all of its years, Social Security has been in worse financial states than it currently is and it has never, ever missed a check (which gives the lie to that other Republican scare-tactic/talking point that big government can't do anything right). There's a very simple solution that will fully fund Social Security into perpetuity: Remove the salary cap. Do that, and you can even reduce the withholding rate. But, please let us know why two people of the same sex getting married will cause trouble that two people of the opposite sex getting married won't. By your logic, you must be very worried that the divorce rate in the United States has been dropping and is now down in the 30% range. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
quote: The Holocaust. Gays were the lowest of the low and made to perform the worst jobs. And when the camps were liberated, the gays were not freed but rather sent directly to prison because it was still illegal to be gay.
quote: You do realize that those two sentences contradict each other, yes? "Civil unions" are nothing more than "separate but equal," codifying discrimination into the law. Nowhere that has a "civil union" do we find it to be the equivalent of marriage. The only way to ensure it is equal is to use a single contract for everyone.
quote: Republican scare-tactic/talking point. There is no crisis in Social Security. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
quote: And this wouldn't be a problem if they married someone of the opposite sex? You're the one talking about a "cure" for being gay. So if we administered it to all the gay people and they went out and married people of the opposite sex, what would be your argument? So by this logic, we shouldn't "cure" gay people because that'd wreck SSI, right? Or if we do "cure" them, we'd have to prevent them from getting married...perhaps a brand over the left eye as a warning to everyone.
quote: Wait...you're saying that the marriage of Chuck and Larry would actually be a benefit because Chuck wouldn't take survivor's benefits? I'm confused. I thought you were saying that it would be a bad thing.
quote: And you wonder why you keep getting tagged as a bigot. By the way: There is no crisis in Social Security. That is nothing but a Republican scare-tactic/talking point. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
quote: Then how is it that gay people are able to have sex at all? It seems to be quite easy to do. There are no end of videos showing people of the same sex having sex. By simple inspection, your argument fails.
quote: Huh? Since when did the human body compare to an electrical cord? There isn't anything gay people do that straight people don't do. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
quote: Because the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution requires it. "Equal treatment under the law," and all that. Are you saying the SCOTUS got it wrong when it found in Brown v. Board of Education that "separate but equal" was a crock? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
quote: For the same reason it doesn't happen now when Adam marries Eve for her SSI. When you marry someone, you don't just get their SSI. You also get their debt. By your logic, we should prevent straights from getting married because they are the bigger burden. Instead, only gay people should be allowed to get married since there aren't that many of them.
quote: Republican scare-tactic/talking point. There is no Social Security crisis. At any rate, the GAO has already run the numbers: Same-sex marriage would actually be a financial benefit. In the state of California alone, for example, it would add a quarter billion dollars to the budget. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
quote: And you wonder why you keep getting tagged as a bigot.
quote: What does that have to do with race? You're confusing genetics with race. Race is nothing more than a social construction to describe local populations.
quote: Huh? What makes a genetic trait "racial"? Race is a social construct. If a "black" person and an "Asian" person have a child, what "race" is the child? Why choose one over the other? A genetic trait doesn't know what "race" the person carrying it is.
quote: Ahem. Driver's licenses are contracted by the state, not the feds. So you admit your argument about the Constitution not saying anything about gay people and thus there is no Constitutional prohibition against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation was a complete crock?
quote: Already done. Loving v. Virginia did not find a right to "interracial marriage." It only found a right to "marriage." Marriage is a fundamental right. The Fourteenth Amendment indicates that fundamental rights cannot be abridged without due process. All citizens are to be treated equally under the law and thus, marriage cannot be abridged on account of race. Romer v. Evans and Lawrence v. Texas found that sexual orientation also cannot be used as a basis upon which fundamental rights can be abridged. Therefore, if marriage is a fundamental right (as found in Loving v. Virginia) and fundamental rights cannot be abridged on the basis of race, then why does it suddenly get to be abridged on the basis of sexual orientation? If it's a crock when applied to race, how does it suddenly gain legitimacy when applied to sexual orientation?
quote: On the contrary. We know that sexual orientation cannot be changed. Prove us wrong. Go out right now and find someone of the same sex, get massively turned on, and do what you can to eventually wind up in bed with him. When you finally succeed (we can wait through the dating period for you to earn his trust), come back and give us the details of how you got off and how you'll want to do it again and again and again.
quote: How are they different? If it's a crock when it is applied to race, why does it suddenly gain legitimacy when applied to sexual orientation? "Race" is not a genetic characteristic. It's an arbitrary social construct.
quote: Right...because there aren't any black, gay people. And you wonder why you keep getting tagged as a bigot.
quote: Actually, I am. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5525 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Rrhain writes:
Rrhain, do we need a different word then? "Race" seems adequate to me for describing genetically conferred traits that fit in your "social construction to describe local populations." Race is nothing more than a social construction to describe local populations..."Race" is not a genetic characteristic. It's an arbitrary social construct. I'm pretty sure that most of the racial traits that set Magic Johnson apart from Larry Bird can be easily seen by anyone. If fact, they agreed on TV that the NBA needs more white players like Bird. Johnson even said the NBA had become too black. There's your social construction for you. Many a white boy wished he had few more black genes in him to be more like Michael Jordan. If you don't see a race-gene connection then I can't do much to help you out. But I can suggest that you refrain from comparing the historical struggle of blacks to gain their cilvil rights with the non-historical struggle of gays to get "married." That's like comparing a canon ball to a dandelion puff. ”HM btw: Rrhain, do you expect me to answer all those post of yours? How do you get any rocket science done when you're goin' nuts with the fingertips? Edited by Hoot Mon, : tweakies
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Hoot Mon responds to me:
quote: No. We just need to recognize that when we talk about "race," we aren't talking about anything beyond the social construct. Having blue eyes doesn't make one "white" any more than having brown eyes makes one "Hispanic." But, all of that is off topic.
quote: And you wonder why you keep getting tagged a bigot. Gays don't have the right to get married, but your race is not an impediment, though it used to be and had to be fought for.Gays don't have the right to be secure in their households and not be evicted for being gay, but your race cannot be used to evict you or prevent you from renting, though it used to be and hand to be fought for. Gays don't have the right to be secure in their jobs and not be fired for being gay, but your race cannot be used to deny you employment or fire you, though it used to be and had to be fought for. Gays don't have the right to be secure in their parenthood and not have their children taken away because the parents are gay, but race cannot be used to determine custody, though it used to be and had to be fought for. Gays don't have the right to serve in the military, but your race cannot be used to discharge you. In fact, the President ordered that the military be integrated despite the objections of the Chiefs of Staff. Gays don't have the right not to be tortured because they are gay, but torturing someone because of race is called "lynching" and is illegal. So you tell me...just what is it about the struggle for rights that gays don't understand?
quote: Yes, I do, at least the ones that were directed at you. If your argument is that strong, if you have done your homework, if you have the evidence required to justify your assertions, then it should be no trouble at all for you to respond to each point I've made. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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