Gay Marriage

Hoot Mon writes:

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why do I seem to detect a difference between ordinary sex and gay sex.

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Huh? There isn't anything that gay people do that straight people don't.And "ordinary sex"? And you wonder why you keep getting tagged as a bigot.

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Rrhain

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Hoot Mon writes:

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The gays want to plunder tradition in the minds of most decent people in this country

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And you wonder why you keep getting tagged as a bigot.

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All I'm saying is let them have their civil unions, and let them call it something other than "marriage," because it isn't.

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Why not? We already know that "separate but equal" is unconstitutional, but you're saying that there is something different. What is it?Be specific.

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Rrhain

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lyx2no responds to Hoot Mon:

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Speaking of, how much gay porn do you watch to be so up on the differences between straight and gay sexual practices. I stick to lesbian porn. Then I don't have to see the naked guys at all. Ick.

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I'm reminded of Ron White's bit about how we're all "a little bit gay":

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Rrhain

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Hoot Mon writes:

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I'm out to see that they get their civil rights under the law, and without the law sanctioning their "marriage."

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You do realize that the leading clause and the terminating clause contradict each other, yes?If gay people are to get their civil rights, then it necessarily requires that the law sanction their marriage.Marriage is a fundamental right: Loving v. Virginia.Fundamental rights cannot be abridged on the basis of sexual orientation: Romer v. Evans, Lawrence v. Texas.Are you saying those cases were wrongly decided?

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Rrhain

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Catholic Scientist writes:

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Its not that I want to deny rights to gays

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Let's not play dumb. That's exactly what it is.

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its the Chuck's and Larry's out there who could find the loop-holes in the laws and exploit them.

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Huh? What "loop-holes"? Exactly what changes in the contract of marriage by allowing the participants to be of the same sex? What can two people of the same sex do in a marriage that two people of the opposite sex cannot? Why does the participants being of the same sex automatically allow something that the participants being of opposite sex do not?Why do you immediately jump to necrophilia when thinking of having sex with someone of your own sex when you don't have this fantasy when thinking of having sex with someone of the opposite sex?Be specific.

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Opening up marriage to same sexes provides more loop-holes

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Like what? Why does same-sex marriage necessarily lead to these "loop-holes" while mixed-sex marriage does not?Be specific.

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We should be a little more careful than that.

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If you're worried that you'll marry someone of your own sex if you were legally allowed to, then get it tattooed on your chest to remind yourself: "For god's sake, don't marry another man!" Get it done in reverse letters so you can see it in the mirror every morning.Why is your quick factor the determining criterion for other people's rights? Who died and made you god?

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Rrhain

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I immediately jump to necrophilia when when thinking of having sex with someone of the same sex except I want to be the one who's dead.Please, Hoot Mon, making jokes that make a point is one thing, but making jokes to avoid a point is a waste of everyones time. Would you answer the questions or admit you've not had anything valuable to say in the last 400 posts.Edited by lyx2no, : Wrong word.Edited by lyx2no, : Grammar; twice.

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KindlyThere is a spider by the water pipe.

Hoot Mon writes:

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If Chuck and Larry get their stinkin' fingers into Social Security they will put an end to it sooner than its death sentence already prescribes.

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Huh? How? Are you talking about survivor's benefits? How would their marriage to someone of the same sex change that compared to their marriage to someone of the opposite sex? You seem to be arguing that gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry anybody.And for someone who was just arguing that gay people should be allowed to have a "civil union" with "all the same rights as marriage but without the name," it seems to be that you're arguing that this "civil union" would not come with commitant benefits to things like Social Security.So much for that "separate but equal" plan of yours. Right off the bat, you want to make the two contracts "separate and unequal."At any rate, Social Security is in no danger. The claims of it being "bankrupt" in whatever the popular number is to be used is nothing more than a Republican scare-tactic/talking point. In all of its years, Social Security has been in worse financial states than it currently is and it has never, ever missed a check (which gives the lie to that other Republican scare-tactic/talking point that big government can't do anything right). There's a very simple solution that will fully fund Social Security into perpetuity: Remove the salary cap. Do that, and you can even reduce the withholding rate.But, please let us know why two people of the same sex getting married will cause trouble that two people of the opposite sex getting married won't. By your logic, you must be very worried that the divorce rate in the United States has been dropping and is now down in the 30% range.

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Rrhain

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Hoot Mon writes:

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when was the last time the gays were put to slavery?

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The Holocaust. Gays were the lowest of the low and made to perform the worst jobs.And when the camps were liberated, the gays were not freed but rather sent directly to prison because it was still illegal to be gay.

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I'm all for that. That's why I support civil unions for gays.

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You do realize that those two sentences contradict each other, yes? "Civil unions" are nothing more than "separate but equal," codifying discrimination into the law.Nowhere that has a "civil union" do we find it to be the equivalent of marriage. The only way to ensure it is equal is to use a single contract for everyone.

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But watch out for your Social Security account that promises more than it will ever deliver.

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Republican scare-tactic/talking point. There is no crisis in Social Security.

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Rrhain

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Hoot Mon writes:

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American SS works this way: If one spouse dies the survivor is entitled to receive full benefits from the dead one's SS account after he or she turns 65+.

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And this wouldn't be a problem if they married someone of the opposite sex? You're the one talking about a "cure" for being gay. So if we administered it to all the gay people and they went out and married people of the opposite sex, what would be your argument?So by this logic, we shouldn't "cure" gay people because that'd wreck SSI, right? Or if we do "cure" them, we'd have to prevent them from getting married...perhaps a brand over the left eye as a warning to everyone.

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However, if Chuck's SS account is greater than Larry's then Chuck would be foolish to take Larry's SS.

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Wait...you're saying that the marriage of Chuck and Larry would actually be a benefit because Chuck wouldn't take survivor's benefits? I'm confused. I thought you were saying that it would be a bad thing.

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SS would be screwed up the Hershey Highway.

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And you wonder why you keep getting tagged as a bigot.By the way: There is no crisis in Social Security. That is nothing but a Republican scare-tactic/talking point.

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Rrhain

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Hoot Mon writes:

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There are significant limitations set by nature that will prevent the joinery of their sexual equipment.

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Then how is it that gay people are able to have sex at all? It seems to be quite easy to do. There are no end of videos showing people of the same sex having sex. By simple inspection, your argument fails.

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Find two electrical extension cords

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Huh? Since when did the human body compare to an electrical cord?There isn't anything gay people do that straight people don't do.

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Rrhain

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Hoot Mon writes:

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But I still don't know why "marriage" should apply to same-sex civil unions.

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Because the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution requires it. "Equal treatment under the law," and all that. Are you saying the SCOTUS got it wrong when it found in Brown v. Board of Education that "separate but equal" was a crock?

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Rrhain

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Hoot Mon writes:

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why wouldn't you want to "marry" your best buddy, who happens to be dying, just to get his SS benefits?

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For the same reason it doesn't happen now when Adam marries Eve for her SSI. When you marry someone, you don't just get their SSI. You also get their debt.By your logic, we should prevent straights from getting married because they are the bigger burden. Instead, only gay people should be allowed to get married since there aren't that many of them.

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However, I've thought about it myself. And if Chuck and Larry start doing it then that can't be good for SS.

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Republican scare-tactic/talking point. There is no Social Security crisis.At any rate, the GAO has already run the numbers: Same-sex marriage would actually be a financial benefit. In the state of California alone, for example, it would add a quarter billion dollars to the budget.

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Rrhain

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Hoot Mon writes:

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Watch out for queer evangelism and cover your butt holes! The Riders Of The Pink Penis want to buzz up your Hershey Highway!

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And you wonder why you keep getting tagged as a bigot.

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Why do white people rarely get sickle-cell anemia?

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What does that have to do with race? You're confusing genetics with race. Race is nothing more than a social construction to describe local populations.

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Racial traits are conferred genetically.

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Huh? What makes a genetic trait "racial"? Race is a social construct. If a "black" person and an "Asian" person have a child, what "race" is the child? Why choose one over the other?A genetic trait doesn't know what "race" the person carrying it is.

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I think Ben Franklin drove a Ford, and he was opposed to driver's licenses because they would have to be issued by King George III.

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Ahem. Driver's licenses are contracted by the state, not the feds.So you admit your argument about the Constitution not saying anything about gay people and thus there is no Constitutional prohibition against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation was a complete crock?

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Rrhain, would you be kind enough to explain how interracial marriage has anything whatsoever to do with "gay marriage"?

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Already done. Loving v. Virginia did not find a right to "interracial marriage." It only found a right to "marriage." Marriage is a fundamental right. The Fourteenth Amendment indicates that fundamental rights cannot be abridged without due process. All citizens are to be treated equally under the law and thus, marriage cannot be abridged on account of race.Romer v. Evans and Lawrence v. Texas found that sexual orientation also cannot be used as a basis upon which fundamental rights can be abridged.Therefore, if marriage is a fundamental right (as found in Loving v. Virginia) and fundamental rights cannot be abridged on the basis of race, then why does it suddenly get to be abridged on the basis of sexual orientation?If it's a crock when applied to race, how does it suddenly gain legitimacy when applied to sexual orientation?

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we don't know what causes homosexuality, even though we know it is reversible.

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On the contrary. We know that sexual orientation cannot be changed.Prove us wrong. Go out right now and find someone of the same sex, get massively turned on, and do what you can to eventually wind up in bed with him. When you finally succeed (we can wait through the dating period for you to earn his trust), come back and give us the details of how you got off and how you'll want to do it again and again and again.

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And you keep making references to racial issue addressed by the courts as if they had something to do with homosexual issues.

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How are they different? If it's a crock when it is applied to race, why does it suddenly gain legitimacy when applied to sexual orientation?"Race" is not a genetic characteristic. It's an arbitrary social construct.

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Black people would kindly ask you not to make such an insulting comparison again.

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Right...because there aren't any black, gay people.And you wonder why you keep getting tagged as a bigot.

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Well, we ain't rocket scientists, that's for sure!

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Actually, I am.

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Rrhain

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Rrhain, do we need a different word then? "Race" seems adequate to me for describing genetically conferred traits that fit in your "social construction to describe local populations."I'm pretty sure that most of the racial traits that set Magic Johnson apart from Larry Bird can be easily seen by anyone. If fact, they agreed on TV that the NBA needs more white players like Bird. Johnson even said the NBA had become too black. There's your social construction for you. Many a white boy wished he had few more black genes in him to be more like Michael Jordan. If you don't see a race-gene connection then I can't do much to help you out.But I can suggest that you refrain from comparing the historical struggle of blacks to gain their cilvil rights with the non-historical struggle of gays to get "married." That's like comparing a canon ball to a dandelion puff.”HMbtw: Rrhain, do you expect me to answer all those post of yours? How do you get any rocket science done when you're goin' nuts with the fingertips? Edited by Hoot Mon, : tweakies

Hoot Mon responds to me:

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Rrhain, do we need a different word then?

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No. We just need to recognize that when we talk about "race," we aren't talking about anything beyond the social construct. Having blue eyes doesn't make one "white" any more than having brown eyes makes one "Hispanic."But, all of that is off topic.

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But I can suggest that you refrain from comparing the historical struggle of blacks to gain their cilvil rights with the non-historical struggle of gays to get "married." That's like comparing a canon ball to a dandelion puff.

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And you wonder why you keep getting tagged a bigot.Gays don't have the right to get married, but your race is not an impediment, though it used to be and had to be fought for.
Gays don't have the right to be secure in their households and not be evicted for being gay, but your race cannot be used to evict you or prevent you from renting, though it used to be and hand to be fought for.
Gays don't have the right to be secure in their jobs and not be fired for being gay, but your race cannot be used to deny you employment or fire you, though it used to be and had to be fought for.
Gays don't have the right to be secure in their parenthood and not have their children taken away because the parents are gay, but race cannot be used to determine custody, though it used to be and had to be fought for.
Gays don't have the right to serve in the military, but your race cannot be used to discharge you. In fact, the President ordered that the military be integrated despite the objections of the Chiefs of Staff.
Gays don't have the right not to be tortured because they are gay, but torturing someone because of race is called "lynching" and is illegal.So you tell me...just what is it about the struggle for rights that gays don't understand?

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btw: Rrhain, do you expect me to answer all those post of yours? How do you get any rocket science done when you're goin' nuts with the fingertips?

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Yes, I do, at least the ones that were directed at you. If your argument is that strong, if you have done your homework, if you have the evidence required to justify your assertions, then it should be no trouble at all for you to respond to each point I've made.

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Rrhain

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