The Prophecy of the 70 weeks of Daniel

Good brother, imo, you are an angel/messenger from God to EvC. I surely hope you will remain on this site for a long time. These folks do bring up a lot of stuff which many onlookers out there are thinking, so hopefully even if none here accept the truth, others out there in cyberspace will be enlightened. I pray so.May God bless you for the time and effort you've put into this inportant and interesting topic.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

You're mistaken there, Ramoss. No way does the text in Daniel fit the description of the prophesied Biblical messiah as depicted by any of the prophets, Old Testament or New. The messiah may be an anointed one, but the word/term anointed may apply to numerous situations relative to scripture whereas messiah would not.Merriam Webster definition of messiah:

Well then I, Buzsaw, according to the Greek can lay claim to "the anointed one." I have been ageipsantesed (anointed) according to James 5:14 for healing by the elders of the church.However, Buzsaw/anointed not Buzsaw/messiah. I don't fit the definition of the latter nor do I fit the criteria of the prophets including Daniel's little stone/messiah that demolishes the kingdoms and his becomes the prevalent global one. If you can't even accept the dictionary definition of these word/terms, then I can't help you.You people need to get real. I provided a bonafide dictionary definition of each word and no way do they interchange as per definition. I'm not denying the anointing of Cyrus, but he sure does in no way fit the ticket for Biblical messiah. You people who claim so are just showing your ignorance of Biblical doctrine, including the deciphering of the prophecies.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

One can concoct up about any doctrine they want by isolating scripture texts. One must apply corroborating scriptures in understanding Biblical prophecy as well as other doctrines. Daniel was given what God wanted to dish out for his time but John the prophet of the NT who wrote Revelation filled in many of the blanks which were not revealed to Daniel. That's why in Daniel 12:8 and 9 when Daniel wanted to know the end of all these things, God told him to go his way for the words are closed up and sealed til the time of the end.One must go to Revelation 13, 17 and 18 where the ten horned beast becomes the 10 horns of Daniel's beast. There are many similarities of Daniel's account and John's. For example, both beasts persecute the saints of God (i.e Christians), etc. This is happening as we debate. Daniel's 10 horn beast is now emerging and the long prophesied anti-christ is likely present on earth now. Obama get's close to the description, but I'm not yet saying he is the one. Perhaps so; perhaps not. Obama is a Muslim. I'm convinced of that.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Another clue to the 10 horned beast of Daniel relative to the end times is the phenomena of integrating the races. Read it in Daniel 2:40-43. God separated the races and attempting to mix them is like attempting to mix water with diesel fuel. Your diesel will either not run at all or spit and sputter at half speed or less. That's where the world is going.The Daniel 2 Image's 10 toes are what the 10 horns are to the beast, the end time antichrist world government.

No, Doc, no bigotry. I get along fine with blacks, Jews, Hispanics and all and treat them alike; always have. Im just observing the prophecy and observing the Jeremiah Wrights, the Black Muslim Nation of Islam and such.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. I go with the science on that one. Though I'd rather have a good Christian black daughter-in-law than an atheist or even a secularist one, the science seems to be that the majority tendency is to prefer one's own color and race. All one need do is go in the churches and neighborhoods, of the world to come to that conclusion. History attests to it.2. I would advise a single son to marry into his own race since God created the races but if my son came home with a black bride I and wifie would go out of our way to make the new bride feel welcome and treat her as we would a white one.3. Imo, vanilla/chocolate swirl is cool with ice cream, but not as cool with races.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

I suppose 167-164 BC would be it, unless there are earlier ones from other sources. Or would it be 200 years after the Book of Daniel was written?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

There's all of this skepticism relative to the extant Biblical manuscripts. To my knowledge, nobody is questioning the accuracy of Homer's Iliad and Odyssey.Homer lived somewhere around a millennium BC, yet the oldest extant manuscripts of that are around two millenniums after they were written, about 1000 AD.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Loose your soul for disbelieving Daniel? I don't see that as a criteria for salvation, though most saved people likely believe the account. Many do not study it or try to understand it but anyone who prayerfully and carefully delves into it becomes apprised on much of the whys and wherefores of where the world is headed. In the last chapter some added significant data is given relative to our times, though that is straying from the topic of this thread.The Bible begins with the origin of human history and ends with it's finality when new heavens, earth and Jerusalem/Holy City replace it.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

The truth, Paul is that the fierce king who utters the dark sentences in verses 23-26 is a deceitful impressive slippery fellow who destroys many, all the while talking peacefully. He makes war with the "holy ones," i.e. the true Christians in the end times. Note that in Daniel 7:25 the notable little horn of the beast "made war with the saints and prevailed against them." The notable little horn who persecutes the saints (holy ones) is one and the same mighty one who persecutes the "holy ones" in chapter 8. His kingdom is also the same beast kingdom of Revelation 13 in the NT which "makes war with the saints and overcomes them." The planet is witnessing this as we debate. War is being waged on the Christians in Africa, Muslim nations, Communist nations, etc. The globalist beast kingdom, i.e. world government is emerging via the UN which btw is anti-Christian and pro-Muslim. You and others here need to corroborate these scriptures or you'll never understand them or whataheck is going on in the world today.Note how many times the "end times" and similar wording appears in these visions.Note also that when he confronts the "Prince of princes" in verse 25 of 8 that he is "broken without hand." John the revelator says messiah Jesus will destroy his enemies with the breath of his mouth or something similar to that when he appears to Jerusalem to set up shop/kingdom. This corroborates with the "little stone" of the first image vision which destroys the world kingdoms and becomes the mountain replacing the destroyed kingdoms of this world.Starman is right. Your arguments are full of holes so as to attemp to secularize everything that Daniel prophesied and to render as contemporary history. You pick and choose so as to overlook anything and everything that doesn't fit your secularist mindset for the book of Daniel, Jehovah's prophet. Edited by Buzsaw, : Add embolding

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

As usual, in your ignorance of how Biblical eschatology works, you choose to secularize the holy writ by isolating texts and skewing them into secular literature. Both corroborated visions are of the world class empires and both end with the end time messianic prince of princes/conquering stone and you refuse to acknowledge the obvious. Starman is obviously a highly intelligent, articulate, efficient and witty contribution to EvC. Pay attention to his wisdom and your Biblical understanding will be enhanced.

That can work both ways, Ramos. The POMs here often attest to that.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Starman, I've been here over 4 years. These folks need people like you, me, Nemesis and other like minded ones whether they realize it or not. There are times when you simply need to ignore Biblifobic nonsense and move on with something positive. The minority POV finds it necessary to pick and choose where to respond to hyperactive opponents who choose to ignore the obvious in scripture.The whole problem I see with secularists relative to anything supernatural is that if they ever (I say ever) admit to one miracle, their secularism is cooked and they become accountable to a higher power.The book of Daniel, as is most of the Bible is full of the supernatural. That's why they have to mine out and isolate verses and segments which they can use to obfuscate the interpretation into their secularist mindset.I pray that God will, by his mighty Holy Spirit, enlighten their understanding and effect their conversion. I'm optimistic about that, given they are mere men/women and God is almighty.Creationist scientists like Henry Morris of ICR were once secularists
who's mindset were enlightened by truth. Don't be discouraged, my brother. Just remember, when you score points as you have here, they don't take it well and sometimes take it out on the messenger and the threads get red hot in a hurry.Jesus wasn't yoked to the Temple where he ministered to hostile counterparts, nor was Paul and the apostles when they mingled with the
Pharisees in ministry, even eating and drinking with them at times.
They were'nt preaching to the choir by any means.Keep your cool, be especially mindful of the Forum Guidelines and you'll do fine.Edited by Buzsaw, : Fix grammatical errors

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. Beginning in verse 15 of Chapter 8 the angel from God begins to explain the interpretation of the vision.2. Verse 17: ".....the vision belongeth to the time of the end."3. Verse 19: "I will make you to know what shall be in the latter time of the indignation, for it belongeth to the appointed time of the end.4. It is important to note that the Ram empire in chapter 8 consists of two co-ruling nations, Media and Persia, consistent with history, one being the prominent kingdom of the empire.5. Verse 21: ".....the rough he-goat is the nation of Greece.". (This would be the third empire of Daniel's chapter 2 image vision.)6. The Greek Empire after Alexander's death becomes divided (the 4 horns (Daniel 8:8) "toward the four winds of heaven," i.e. the historical four smaller empires consisting of the segmentation of Alexanders world empire became re-immerged into the Roman Empire by the time of Christ. http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/GREECE/3EMPIRES.HTM(Embolding mine for emphasis)7. In order to get a handle on Biblical eschatology relative to the NT church age one must understand that the OT is primarily a genealogical and historical account of the world relative to God's kingdom nation, Israel. The NT church age was a mystery not revealed in depth to Israel, to whom the OT law, the temple and Levitical priesthood pertained. Thus the church age is referred to in the NT as a mystery. (Example; Revelation 10:7 where at the sound of the 7th and last trumpet the mystery of God is finished, i.e. the church age. This is when the millennial messianic kingdom is about to emerge on planet earth.8. The Roman Empire consisted of the re-immerged Greek empire which would later disintegrate into what is referred to as the East and the West as we refer to it today, i.e. the two legs of Daniel's chap 2 image prophecy which would expand as time passed.9. As future events became further removed from Daniel's time, the prophet's revelation diminished as to specificity. Thus we must hone in on certain specifics which were revealed to him.10. In verse 23 in the "latter time" of the these kingdoms, having re-emerged by the Romans and eventually becoming global, "when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences shall stand up." Verse 24: And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power; and he shall destroy wonderfully."11. v 24: ".....he shall destroy the mighty ones and the holy people." Note that at the time Jesus, the Christ was born, the "holy people" were not Israel. The Jews delivered Jesus up to the civil government to execute the messiah Jesus, so the "holy people" were/are the true Biblical Christians who have been persecuted throughout the Christian era, some by professing Christians who were militant, by pagan religions, by Islamic and secularistic enemies of Christianity.12. verse 24: his might shall not be by his own power. His power comes from Satan and his invisible kingdom of angels which are cast to the earth in Revelation 12 to energize the 10 horned (i.e. Daniel's toes) emerging world empire of Revelation 13 and 17, that empire which destroys Mystery Babylon (likely Vatican City) of Revelation 17 and 18.13. Verse 25: He destroys many who considered themselves to be secure. 9:11 comes to mind and the phenomenal global imergence of the expansion of militant Islam.14. Finally and most importantly, this anti-christ one of the end times comes head to head with the "prince of princes," i.e messiah (Jesus) who is to appear and "shall be broken without hand," i.e not by humans but by God who has the beast, the false prophet and the host who followed them having their mark, to be cast into the lake of fire.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.