Gay Marriage

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What you got here is called a silly idea ” If man were meant to fly God would have given him wings. Men have no regard for imaginary laws of nature. Gravity, thermodynamics, something else that doesn't come to mind right now . fine. Laws of Nature restricting us to act as expected by people who imagine that they know what's good for us . nope. Enjoy your laws of nature but I'm flying.

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:=)Your argument is one based on absurdity. Is being discourteous not against natural law? What about cannibalism--is this not also against natural law? I think human behavior--e.g discourtesy, cannibalism, rape, etc--are also subject to natural laws and human laws. The point that I've been stressing is that human laws should not violate natural law. If a human law is passed legalizing cannibalism then that is repugnant to natural law or even plain common sense.Again, natural law says that males are made for females. Their genitals, aspirations (e.g. the urge to have babies with the opposite sex they love) are complementary to each other,i.e. in harmony with natural law. So, human laws that restrict marriages to man and woman is perfectly in harmony with natural law. Conversely, same sex marriages is repugnant to natural law. It's that simple.

I'm just curious. Since "natural law" obviously is against people in space, are you against the space program?

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I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

Hello Rr,
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That must be why we require a fertility test before allowing people to get married and immediately annul it if there haven't been any children after five years.

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In other jurisdictions, yes they allow marriage annullment based on incapcity to reproduce. And, the reason is to allow the fertile one to have progeny. And, that is perfectly in harmony with natural law. Wise and cautious couples also undergo "RH factor" test ( not sure of exact term)to determine if they'll bear healthy children. If not, they don't push through with the marriage. And, that is perfectly in harmony with natural law.

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That must be why we never allow people to adopt children...what happened to your argument?

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Natural law also favors showing love and care for children of others. So, human adoption laws that encourage love and care for children of others are in harmony with natural law.

T,

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Since "natural law" obviously is against people in space, are you against the space program

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The urge to explore and exploit space for economic reason is not against natural law.

What is it exactly that you mean by "natural law". You have given a few examples, cannabilism, homosexuality, etc. What confuses me however is that some of these things occur quite frequently in nature. Many animals and humans do and have practiced cannabilism. That is not unnatural. ex:Look what happens to baby mice if you don't seperate them from their mother. So to me it kinda makes your arguments absurd. You dictate how nature behaves? Pretty absurd.

You've overriden the physical limitations of the "natural law" of space dwelling with a purely human desire. Based on this logic, one could also argue that the urge to seek out a life-long companionship with someone you are physically attracted to is not against natural law.

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I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

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What is it exactly that you mean by "natural law".

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Natural laws as applied to human behaviour. Although humans have practiced cannibalism, it was not natural. They went against the natural law humans urge to live in harmony.Here is a good definition of natural law: "A law or body of laws that derives from nature and is believed to be binding upon human actions apart from or in conjunction with laws established by human authority."Key words: law(s) derive from nature...binding upon human actions apart from or in conjunction with laws established by human authority.Prominent jurists have held that: human laws should not go against laws of nature.Edited by Great J, : No reason given.

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You've overriden the physical limitations of the "natural law" of space dwelling with a purely human desire. Based on this logic, one could also argue that the urge to seek out a life-long companionship with someone you are physically attracted to is not against natural law.

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Human desires--such as exploration and exploitation--if not harmful are not against natural law. The desire to eat if carried out by eating healthy foods is not against natural law. But, if you eat unhealthy foods you eventually get sick and that is against natural law. Again, government laws prohibiting junk food in schools are perfectly in line with natural law.To seek a lifelong companionship with someone you are physically attracted--that mating desire--is not against natural law. What is repugnant to natural law is that if that mating desire is directed towards the same sex. As discussed earlier, the anatomy of the male and female bodies, their aspirations are complementary. On the other hand, male to male or female to female relationships goes against their very anatomy.

Yes maybe in areas where cannibalism is not part of the culture, that would be true. However there are many documented accounts where cannibalism was socially normal. In those cases cannibalism comes down to not nature but society. This is of topic however. What I meant in my previous post is how do you define natural laws? And what makes you think that homosexual behavior is not occuring in nature? If homosexuality does occur in nature, than laws permitting it and marriage do not go against your supposed natural laws and your argument has no legs.

I just wanted to let you know that you are making a horrible argument.Homosexual pairings are found in nature. They do not go against natural law.Also, you seem to think you are the grand arbiter on what is and is not against the law of nature.Human anatomy does not determine natural law. If it did, then going out into space would be against natural law. That you have justified it with the desire for exploration means that you can justify homosexual marriage with the desire for love.You are applying a double standard.Also, you're just making stuff up as you go along. There is no basis to it.Quit now while you still don't look like a total idiot.

Skull,

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I just wanted to let you know that you are making a horrible argument.Homosexual pairings are found in nature. They do not go against natural law.

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Excuse me? I thought we are talking about human laws as it applies to human marriage and not marriage between apes?

Skull,

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Human anatomy does not determine natural law

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But, would you agree that human anatomy is subject to natural law?

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Also, you're just making stuff up as you go along. There is no basis to it. Quit now while you still don't look like a total idiot.

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I'm not making up the stuff. There is basis to this. Actually, the issue on gay marriages was among the topics we discussed in legal philosophy. We had a lively discussion on this issue--without calling each other idiots.BTW, being civil towards one another was assumed to be part of natural law.

Ok, so humans live in "nature" ie. "Earth" and they do have same sex couples (quite frequently) so there is nothing unnatural about it.cs. wow I actually agree with you on something other than physics. great J you still have me confused on what is natural law? You used an example of how humans want to live in harmony. However I doubt this is the case, seeing as how we so rarely do. I would say that strife seems to be more natural for humans than peace.Edited by rueh, : forgot I wanted to say more before I went out for beers. YEAH BEER

Not at all. We've come up with ways to subvert natural laws when it comes to our bodies, for example if we relied only on nature I wouldn't have had cornea transplants.

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Gravity has established my obligation to submit to it on more than one occasion. You have yet to establish my obligation to submit to your understanding of natural law. Your notions are not universal truths.

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