Did Jesus die before he was born?

Well what can I say interesting but yet just another stint at trying to prove the infallibility of Christ. The way I see it many people attempt to disprove the claims of the Jesus Christians believe, but to no avail. Time seems to be one of the ways people do this. People come up with the idea that if there were critics who didn't accept this and that concerning Christ (e.g the epistles that Paul wrote etc) then that must mean Jesus was not true. What people neglect to understand or believe is that Jesus was rejected by the people who he came to save. They saw him demostrate his miraculous powers and yet they wanted him crucified. I mean if some one today came out of no where and started healing the blind, the sick, the deaf and raise people from the dead,would not the majority of people believe in this person? I know I would. But there would still be a few that wouldn't beleve right? Of course there would and in the case of Jesus he had to defend himself against the rulers of the day, who were ultimately the reason why he was crucified. I mean imagine someone going to America preaching and teaching against the beliefs of George bush and the Government, would not they do everything in their power to get rid of him? Yes they would, even if the people were against them doing it. You see no matter how much people try to disprove Christ there is historical evidence, literature and people who can claim his existence. Okay maybe we dont have any of his clothing or his actual body (Which by the way has never been found because it rose) but the fact is he revealed himself to atleast 400 people after he rose again and there is historical information that documents this....The Bible, The Works of Josephus to name a few. You see people will always try and prove the non-existence of Christ and thats okay, but until they can prove it with evidence just like Christians can concerning his existence than it will never happen. Jesus is alive and there aint nothing no body can do about it![This message has been edited by Souljah1, 07-23-2003]

Crashfrog I do not understand why you would go to great lengths to argue something you are not sure of. You said in a previous post that none of the writings of the bible were written by eyewitnesses. Well first of all your wrong. Atleast Matthew and John would of been eyewitnesses, not to mention James and Peter two of the other diciples who have writings in the bible. But all this is besides the point. Whether they were eyewitnesses or not you along with the rest of your companions will find a way of trying to disprove that as well. The fact of the matter is Crashfrog, for you to believe in this Jesus we talk about you will need him to pay you a visit, tell you who he is, and then you will probably ask him to prove it some how. You see your mentality as well as many others is "I will believe once I have tangible evidence" And not just any but 100% valid evidence....which to prove to an evolutionists is practically impossible. I mean there are untold books in libraries, even in Encyclopedias which have commentaries of Charles Darwin who professed to the infallibilty of Evolution. You see one of the main professors himself ended up saying it was a lie.....oh but I know you want to hear it from his mouth right? Unfortunately that is impossible as well. You are a sinner crashfrog just like any body else and if God is real and his Word is true, the only way you can be forgiven is through accepting his Son as your personal Savior.....nothing more, nothing less.

Well How about we all stop debating and find ourselves a time-machine so we can go back 2000 years to the time of Christ. Looks like thats the only way people are going to believe Christ was real. Oh nah lets not waste our time, even the ones who saw him rejected him. And they were the ones who had reason to believe only in what they could see.
And for those who say God does not Exist, give me a logical explanation for the design of our world. I know I have something that we can use as a law........"Something that inhabits design needs to have had a designer" Now that is Logic....no big bang, millions of years bambo-jambo.