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Author Topic:   Does the evidence support the Flood? (attn: DwarfishSquints)
New Cat's Eye
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Message 203 of 293 (470602)
06-11-2008 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by LucyTheApe
06-11-2008 1:00 PM


Re: end of story
Why would I want to get myself a geology text book? So I can learn to conform, and not have to think for myself?
Wow. You'd rather be a non-comforming ignoramus than an edjucated "conformist"!?
To me, that is just crazy.
Just give me some convincing evidence that disqualifies a global flood.
The lack of a genetic bottleneck.

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Message 209 of 293 (470610)
06-11-2008 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by LucyTheApe
06-11-2008 1:48 PM


Re: end of story
So it's more important to conform and fill your head with garbage, than it is to think for yourself.
Garbage? No.
But what about the lack of a genetic bottleneck discounting the flood?
I see you avoided that...

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Message 213 of 293 (470622)
06-11-2008 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by LucyTheApe
06-11-2008 2:55 PM


Re: end of story
The way I see it is that genetics should teach us a lot about our history.
I don't understand though, according to genetics, we are all derived from one Y male and one mitochondrial female. So how do we tell if a bottleneck has occurred if we all have the same genes? Do we contain somewhere in our genes all the alleles for every possible physical trait?
I'm not talking about agenetic bottleneck in just our species. I'm talking about one in all the species of the planet.
A global flood that kills off almost all of the animals would leave a record in the form of a bottleneck in the genetic information in all of the animals that now exist after the flood.
That we don't see that bottleneck shows that there wasn't a flood.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 279 of 293 (473646)
07-01-2008 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by rueh
07-01-2008 2:15 PM


Re: Black Sea Flood
What about the 40 days of rain?

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Message 282 of 293 (473653)
07-01-2008 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by rueh
07-01-2008 3:30 PM


Re: Black Sea Flood
In the Black Sea deluge theory:
quote:
Then, about 5600 BC, as sea levels rose, Ryan and Pitman suggest, the rising Mediterranean finally spilled over a rocky sill at the Bosporus. The event flooded 60,000 mile (155,000 km) of land and significantly expanded the Black Sea shoreline to the north and west. Ryan and Pitman wrote:
"Ten cubic miles [42 km] of water poured through each day, two hundred times what flows over Niagara Falls. . The Bosporus flume roared and surged at full spate for at least three hundred days."

That just doesn't add up with the Biblical Flood of 40 days of rain gradually flooding everything. That seems like a much more immediate and violent flooding, not to mention that it lasted longer. If this is what inspired the Biblical story, then I think it it would have been described differently.

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Message 284 of 293 (473837)
07-03-2008 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 283 by rueh
07-01-2008 7:00 PM


Re: Black Sea Flood
It's possible that those communities located far enough away from the black sea would have seen a more gradual rise than those located at the head of the deluge.
Well, sure its possible, I'm not saying its impossible.
I'm saying that it improbable that The FludTM was inspired by the Black Sea deluge (BSD) because the descriptions in the Bible don't match what we'd expect from the BSD and there are extra description that the BSD wouldn't provide (like the 40 days of rain).

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Message 286 of 293 (473857)
07-03-2008 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 285 by rueh
07-03-2008 9:49 AM


Re: Black Sea Flood
The Noachian flood compared to real life requires much more extrapulation and "magic" than comparing the BSD to the Noachian. That and the time frame and location correlates closer than anything else that we have discovered.
Oh okay. I'll give you that.
We can't forget, though, that The FludTM was probably inspired by multiple events as it was passed on down through the ages.

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