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Author Topic:   Discovery or Ignorance: The Choice Is yours?
rueh
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From: universal city tx
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Message 293 of 402 (474452)
07-08-2008 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by John 10:10
07-08-2008 2:57 PM


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You start with things as they are. You make predictions as to how things came to be as they are. You PROVE to a high degree of accuracy your predictions were correct.
You are putting the cart before the horse, again. I'll show you.
I start with the way things are. There is night and day in procession with one another.
I make predictions as how that came to be. The Sun revolves around the Earth. When the sun is overhead it is day. When the sun revolves to the other side it is night.
I prove with a high degree of accuracy that what I predicted was right. Everyone can see the Sun rise in the East travel over them than set in the West. This occurs every day so I must be right.
Now than, have I proven anything by following your model? Do my predictions correspond with my evidence? yes, so there is no need to incorpurate my theory into anyone elses and we are back to a earth cented solar system. Come on now this isn't science. This is at most a method to develop a best guess.

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rueh
Member (Idle past 3681 days)
Posts: 382
From: universal city tx
Joined: 03-03-2008


Message 324 of 402 (474485)
07-08-2008 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 313 by John 10:10
07-08-2008 5:15 PM


Oh john you missed the point again. The fact that you do not start with your own preconceived notion. You start with the facts and then develop the model which explains the facts as best as possible, test it against what evidence you have and have others look at the same evidence. But that is what everyone in this thread has been saying to you over and over. Meanwhile the replies to which have been nothing but "nuh uh, nuh uh". Between ignorance and discovery it is pretty clear that ignorance is the easier trodden path.

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rueh
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From: universal city tx
Joined: 03-03-2008


Message 364 of 402 (474569)
07-09-2008 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 353 by John 10:10
07-09-2008 9:55 AM


Re: Observations
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If the evolutionary model can be called "true science", which it is not, and taught in the classroom, then the belief that our Creator created the universe and all life therein should be given an equal opportunity. But the religion of the Theory of Evolutionists will not allow this.
If the creationist or IDists could show one scrap of evidence to support their hypothesis' than it would be given consideration by the scientific community and then the school system. Until than all you are doing is preaching religion. The Judaic creation story is on par with every other creation story. So their is no reason for why every creation story shouldn't be given equal time in the science class. And if we had all the myths permeating our science class when do we have the time to teach true science?
You are arguing against something that you haven't even bothered to study. Just show one single iota of evidence that creation is true.
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The FACT that no one can duplicate the "time factor" long enough to prove the start-to-finish ToE model. True science actually proves to a high degree of accuracy that things are as they are within a certain time frame.
The time factor that you demand is that life go from single cell to human in the span of a lifetime? This is a statement that you have made earlier in this thread. You know that this is impossible, you know that nowhere does the theory of evolution claim this to be the method of opperation. So why do you make such a ridiculous statement? The only claim that is even remote to this, would be that coming from the creation camp. This type of evidence is not proof for the theory of evolution. It is proof of creation.
Edited by rueh, : So more ridiculous statements later in the thread. Had to answer

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