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Author Topic:   Discovery or Ignorance: The Choice Is yours?
Larni
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Message 99 of 402 (474015)
07-04-2008 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by John 10:10
07-04-2008 10:32 AM


John 10:10 writes:
One starts with observing things as ther are. Then one begins the process of understanding how things became as they are. And finally one proves the process by replicating the process time and time again until one knows with reasonable accuracy that the test results are true.
Hi John, I hope you don't mind me butting in:
I think the above paragraph may be in error because there seems to be no role in prediction in depiction of science.
Permit me to re write it in another way:
Larni paraphrasing writes:
One starts with observing things as ther are. Then one begins the process of understanding how things became as they are by generating predictions based on a hypothesis (with associate null hypothesis).
And finally one attempts to reject the null hypothesis (or it must be accepted and the hypothesis is then rejected) by comparing the predictions with reality until one knows with reasonable accuracy that the predictions either accurate or not.
What you are describing misses out the formulation of the hypothesis.

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Larni
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Message 127 of 402 (474076)
07-05-2008 6:10 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by ICANT
07-04-2008 6:26 PM


Re: Re-Johns View
ICANT writes:
So he is not allowed to make mistakes. Why should anybody else that is involved in science be allowed to.
But, but, but.....that's part of how science works! When we have a hypothesis we try and bend it till it breaks. We do all we can to accept the null hypothesis. If we can't we conclude that we are most likely right but we are always aware that we could be wrong: you know that science is tenative, don't you?
Running a powerplant is not research, is it?

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Larni
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Message 128 of 402 (474077)
07-05-2008 6:14 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by John 10:10
07-04-2008 6:51 PM


John 10:10 writes:
confirmed by the testing that is done to confirm that one's prediction results in things as they are.
You don't think the repeated observed accuracy of the predictions is confirmation?
When you test something are you not making an observation?
Edited by Larni, : Spellink

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Larni
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Message 137 of 402 (474103)
07-05-2008 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by ICANT
07-05-2008 9:11 AM


Re: Running Power Plant
Sorry, I guess was not clear:
RUNNING A POWERPLANT IS NOT RESEARCH, IS IT?
What you described were disasters, not research. What is your point?

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Larni
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Message 142 of 402 (474108)
07-05-2008 12:03 PM
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07-05-2008 11:45 AM


Re: Running Power Plant
'Doing their job' would have been being professional in their role as nuclear technicians.
Nothing to do with conducting scientific research.
When I'm conducting and recording interviews (and and transcribing -don't forget bloody transcribing!!!!) then coding and analysing the information, that is scientific research.
When I'm doing therapy I'm doing therapy, not science.
Do you see the difference?

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Larni
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Message 367 of 402 (474580)
07-09-2008 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 311 by John 10:10
07-08-2008 4:59 PM


Re: More nonsense
John 10:10 writes:
Most scientists who work in valuable scientific research are able to:
(1) prove how gravity works.....snip
So you are saying that true scientist can prove how gravity works?
Could you support your assertation that scientist have proved how it works?
Bet you can't.
You should already be able to see the error you have made.

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