Discovery or Ignorance: The Choice Is yours?

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So the evolutionary model has been proven in a laboratory from start-to-finish to a high degree of accuracy, where single cell creatures have been developed into fully developed creature/species, able to reproduce themselves and mutate to other species?

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Nope. That hasn't happened, and never will.Fortunately, that standard doesn't need to be met in order for the ToE to be a valid and very valuable scientific theory.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Now I believe it is a scientifically proven absolute fact that if you put your head in one of those machines and it is activated and it decapitates your head that you will not survive.

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Today, you are correct.100 years from now, the state of the art in medicine may have advanced to the point where a severed head can be reattached.If you understand this point, and understand why this means that all of science is tentative, you are well ahead of John.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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We finally agree that ToE is a theory, not a fact.

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I've never said it was anything other than a theory. Nor has anyone else at this site. You might have realized that long ago if you took a moment and recalled that it's called the Theory of Evolution.

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We will just have to disagree as to how "very valuable" it is.

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Well, you could ask any scientist who works in the field of biology. Then we won't have to disagree anymore. That is unless you think that your ideas about biology are more valuable than those of scientists who work in the field.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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All foolishness aside though I believe there are two scientific theories that will never be falsified. They are the BBT and ToE.

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They can not be falsified. They only get propped up with another theory.

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Naughty, naughty! First you said all foolishness aside, then you said something foolish. Tsk tsk tsk.You seem to think that modifying a theory in light of newly discovered evidence is somehow "propping up" that theory. In fact, just about every theory that any scientist has ever proposed in the history of the world has been modified to some degree. It's one of the hallmarks of science, a part of that whole tentativity deal.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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"Very valuable scientists" who work in the field of biology deal with theories that result in proven facts, not in theories that can never be proven.

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Well, since your learning curve seems to be a flatline, I'm about done with you.Let me leave you with this idea. You can wallow in ignorance or you can try to learn. If you really want to learn, ask a biologist if the ToE is an important theory. You can even ask a christian biologist. There are plenty of them out there. In fact, I'd be willing to bet any amount you'd be willing to risk that the vast majority of christian biologists working in the field of biology will tell you that the ToE is invaluable to the study of biology.I'm quite certain that that fact will not impress you in the slightest. You've made your mind up, and you're not going to let the facts get in the way.You think the ToE hasn't been "proven." I'll set aside for the moment your complete intellectual incapacity to understand the truism that science never proves any theory. Even if it can't be "proven," it's still the single most valuable tool that any biologist has to use in the study of biology. That is a fact. If you disagree, provide evidence. As you said yourself, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.Beyond that, I'm frankly weary of banging my head against the brick wall that is your head.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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I would be somewhat satisfied if evolutionists would simply say this, and then leave it at that. But if you will read many other posts on this topic, many others believe and state that the ToE is proven fact, not theory.

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No.What they say is that evolution is a fact. It has been observed, both in nature and in the lab. In real time. It has happened. Evolution is, at it's most basic, descent with modification. This means that daughter populations will differ from parent populations, and environmental pressures will affect which of those changes will be more likely to be passed on.The Theory of Evolution is the scientific theory that explains how it happens, and explains how evolution has produced the variety of life on this planet. Everyone here agrees that this is a theory. That's why it's called the Theory of Evolution.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Extrapolating the predictions of the ToE backwards in time and calling this science does not meet the true definition of science.

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You are completely missing the point of the language you quoted. What Rahvin was saying was that the ToE makes certain types of predictions. If we extrapolate those predictions backwards in time, the ToE describes the kinds of things we should see in the fossil record. When we examine the fossil record, we see the things that the ToE tells us we will see. When the predictions that the ToE makes coincide with real world observations, this is a very powerful confirmation of the accuracy of the ToE.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat