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Author Topic:   P.Z. Myers in the news (the catholic church communion wafer incident)
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Message 6 of 104 (474851)
07-11-2008 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Deftil
07-11-2008 11:08 AM


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DeftilI don't think it's a good idea to let them rave like mad men. This type of thing needs to be addressed. People are (supposedly) actually threatening the life of some young man because he took a cracker from a church!
The ones that are raving like mad men and making threats is not the ones I would worry about. It is the billions that are saying nothing I would worry about.
I pastor a church and if the young man had come to my church and ask for communion bread, (it is not a cracker) I would have gladly gave him some and explained what it was so he could have explained to his friend. But I am not Catholic.
To the Catholic when the Priest takes the Eucharist, and blesses it. It becomes the actual body of Jesus Christ, it does not represent the body of Christ it is the actual body of Christ, so the young man did not take a cracker, he took the body of Jesus Christ.
Slow down I hear you shouting all the way to my house.
As far as the Catholic Church is concerned the young man committed the most heinous crime he could possible commit against the Catholic Church.
It matters not that he did not know what he was doing, or that it would effect the Church as it did
Do I agree with the Catholic Church? No
Do I respect their right to believe and practice their religion as they desire? You can bet your life on it.
Does PZ have a right to raise his voice? Sure but discretion is sometimes the better part of valor.
Deftil I hope that helps you to understand the Catholic Church's position.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 8 of 104 (474867)
07-11-2008 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Granny Magda
07-11-2008 4:42 PM


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Granny Magda writes:
This whole thing may strike some people as silly and childish, but that seems to be perfectly pitched to me; the Eucharist is silly and childish. The extreme responses to this incident have only serves to underline that.
I agree it is silly. I believe what they believe about the Eucharist is silly. It is not what the Bible teaches. But that is their belief. It is their opinion. It is their right and duty to protect their teachings in their house. This young man went into their house and did this. That is a total lack of respect. I don't care who would do it.
Granny that is what we call freedom of religion in America. It does not make any difference how wild the belief is they are free to worship as they see fit as long as they don't break any laws of the government. Even the First Church of Satan has that right.
Granny I don't agree with either of them but I would fight for them to have that right.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 11 of 104 (474879)
07-11-2008 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Granny Magda
07-11-2008 8:15 PM


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Granny Magda writes:
Well actually, I would too, but I fail to see where the rights of Catholics to worship as they see fit are being damaged here. We're talking about one communion wafer. I'm fairly sure that they can lay their hands on some more. Their worship continues as normal, unabated. The only damage has been to their pride. Forgive me if I don't take up arms to defend them just yet.
You don't understand the gravity of the situation as far as the RCC is concerned. The young man went into their house (Church proper)
He pretended to take the mass. He then took it and showed it to his friend. Somebody had to let the Church know what happened. This has not been made public that I can find. Had not a big to-do about what he had done been made, how would the Church know?
In other words he made a mockery out of what is a very devout service in the RCC.
He didn't get on the Internet and bash them. He didn't get on the street corner and bash them. They would not have said one word in this case.
He went into their house and stole Jesus and took Him and made a public display of Him. That is very serious to the RCC.
BTW nator made a lot more fuss when I made the statement; "I don't see how anyone could believe in the ToE". She went ballistic, others did also.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 14 of 104 (474897)
07-12-2008 12:42 AM
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07-11-2008 9:20 PM


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Granny I have said my two cents worth and I will shut up before you have an aneurysm.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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