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Phat
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Message 16 of 63 (475066)
07-13-2008 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Son Goku
07-13-2008 8:42 AM


Re: Affection, Passion, and Lust.
Son Goku writes:
Not to go to off-topic, but is it actually unusual for people to kiss in public in America? Surely people kissing in parks or on the street is totally standard.
Kissing is not uncommon. Passionate kissing is not as common. To discern the difference, ask yourself if you would have any problem doing it in front of grandmother on Thanksgiving.

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cavediver
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Message 17 of 63 (475067)
07-13-2008 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by subbie
07-12-2008 7:44 PM


Homosexuality makes me uncomfortable.
Last weekend was our village summer festival. On my walk back after leaving the kids and my wife to linger, I noticed a gay couple walking hand in hand towards me, and I smiled. It delighted me. Why? I think for the following reasons:
1) It would annoy others - my perverse streak
2) It was a public sign of intimacy and affection which made me feel good
3) It showed that I was a long way through getting over my social conditioning with regard to homosexuality
I get no pleasure from watching two blokes kiss (quite the opposute!), but I was genuinely moved when Ennis and Jack (Brokeback Mountain) met up again for the first time and passionately snogged.

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Coragyps
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Message 18 of 63 (475071)
07-13-2008 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by cavediver
07-13-2008 8:52 AM


I noticed a gay couple walking hand in hand towards me, and I smiled.
And I think I might well do the same, especially here in Redneckville where they would be putting themselves in real physical danger by doing so. My "oook" response only seems to kick in with more intimate acts than that. And it's purely visceral, not intellectual.

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cavediver
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Message 19 of 63 (475073)
07-13-2008 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Coragyps
07-13-2008 9:12 AM


And I think I might well do the same, especially here in Redneckville where they would be putting themselves in real physical danger by doing so.
Have to show you this clip from Top Gear, the immensely popular and not particularly politically correct BBC motoring programme... rather than hiring cars for a US Fly-Drive, the three presenters have bought cheap old cars instead, and are in the proces of driving them from Florida to New Orleans.

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Buzsaw
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Message 20 of 63 (475076)
07-13-2008 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by subbie
07-12-2008 10:24 PM


Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
subbie writes:
Yes, well, I guess I'm proof against that. I have no inhibitions whatsoever about sharing my intimacy with others, or sharing that of others with them.
1. The fact that you and billions of other humans have felt uncomfortable observing activity deviant to what's been the norm in civilized cultures over the millenia is evidence that you do indeed have an inherent inhibition to this deviant activity.
2. Would you consider something odd and abnormal observing a plumber attempting to couple up two male or two female parts to a plumbing system when the parts are physically designed to couple up male to female?
subbie writes:
Please do try to at least make an attempt at addressing the topic before posting to this thread again. Kay?
I don't understand what part of my message did not pertain to your OP. If you have a problem with my response I suggest you take it up in the problematic message forum, as this is not the place for debate on that.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Taz
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Message 21 of 63 (475078)
07-13-2008 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Son Goku
07-13-2008 8:42 AM


Re: Affection, Passion, and Lust.
Son Goku writes:
Not to go to off-topic, but is it actually unusual for people to kiss in public in America? Surely people kissing in parks or on the street is totally standard.
No, it is not unusual here in America. It's just that there is a double standard where straight couples can almost have sex right out in public and nobody would mind but if a gay couple even hold hands then they'd be told to "cover up".

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Dr Adequate
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Message 22 of 63 (475079)
07-13-2008 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Phat
07-13-2008 8:44 AM


Re: Affection, Passion, and Lust.
Kissing is not uncommon. Passionate kissing is not as common. To discern the difference, ask yourself if you would have any problem doing it in front of grandmother on Thanksgiving.
No, I wouldn't.
This is entirely a cultural thing. To Americans, it seems that kissing ought to be a private thing, like fellatio. To a European, kissing is something that you can do in public, like holding hands.
You are the odd ones out here.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Straggler
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Message 23 of 63 (475081)
07-13-2008 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Buzsaw
07-13-2008 10:03 AM


Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
1. The fact that you and billions of other humans have felt uncomfortable observing activity deviant to what's been the norm in civilized cultures over the millenia is evidence that you do indeed have an inherent inhibition to this deviant activity.
Would you feel comfortable watching explicit public scenes of "non deviant" sexual practices? Would a married man and woman going at it hammer and tong in the middle of a busy shopping centre be any more acceptable to you?
2. Would you consider something odd and abnormal observing a plumber attempting to couple up two male or two female parts to a plumbing system when the parts are physically designed to couple up male to female?
Without wanting to get overly graphic....
There is no biological difference between the inside of a mans mouth and the inside of a womans.
So same sex oral practices are presumably equally as acceptable (or unacceptable?) in your view as male - female ones?
As the gay plumber said - "If the pipe fits.........."

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lyx2no
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Message 24 of 63 (475082)
07-13-2008 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Buzsaw
07-13-2008 10:03 AM


You Say Tomatoes
1. The fact that you and billions of other humans have felt uncomfortable observing activity deviant to what's been the norm in civilized cultures over the millenia is evidence that you do indeed have an inherent inhibition to this deviant activity.
I have the exact same feeling of revulsion (not necessarily the right word) seeing two men deep kiss (yeah, It's the right word) as I do of seeing a man eating a tomato as if it were an apple. Do I then get to assume that eating tomatoes as if they were apples is an inherent inhibition (code for "God induced") against a deviant activity? Do I get to redefine eating as not having anything to do with whole tomatoes (DOEA)?
Maybe physicists should be studying inhibition fields and with their intuity tensors.

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Coragyps
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Message 25 of 63 (475083)
07-13-2008 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by cavediver
07-13-2008 9:22 AM


ROFL!

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Buzsaw
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Message 26 of 63 (475084)
07-13-2008 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Dr Adequate
07-13-2008 7:47 AM


Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
DA writes:
If that's meant to apply to kissing in public (sheesh) it appears that it is Americans who are the odd ones out.
I'm a 73 yr old American who has observed public activity of Americans over the decades. I've observed a time when it would be either dangerous or illegal to engage publically in intimate homosexual activity in most communities across this nation.
As I said before a culture becomes more calloused and receptive to deviancy, the more it happens and is allowed in public. This I've also observed in the US over the decades, all of which is a modern day phenomena pretty much world wide except in areas of Islamic totalitarian regimes and concentrations of fundamental Christianity, etc.
DA writes:
There's plenty of kissing in the Bible.
That's a strawman and I think you know it, DA. None of it was homosexually inspired. In most cultures it was simply a form of greeting, having nothing to do with erotic sexual passion.
DA writes:
Ooh, let's talk about the Bible and human sacrifice!
My only purpose in touching on this was to show how deviant activity leads away from what is good, normal, civilized and proper for intelligent beings. Nowhere does the Bible advocate human sacrifice by humans, just as it does not advocate homosexual activity. Intelligent humans have a natural tendency to feel uncomfortable with any kind of activity which is deviant to the norm by and large over the millenia in civilized cultures.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 27 of 63 (475085)
07-13-2008 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by lyx2no
07-13-2008 10:25 AM


Re: You Say Tomatoes
lyx2no writes:
as I do of seeing a man eating a tomato as if it were an apple. Do I then get to assume that eating tomatoes as if they were apples is an inherent inhibition (code for "God induced") against a deviant activity?
I don't think this thread is about insanity or loss of mental capacity, which would be the case with your poor analogy in response to my point.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Taz
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Message 28 of 63 (475086)
07-13-2008 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Buzsaw
07-13-2008 10:30 AM


Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
Buzsaw writes:
Nowhere does the Bible advocate human sacrifice by humans...
Are you saying that god's order for the israelites to exterminate the various civilizations of canaan were not acts of human sacrifice?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 29 of 63 (475087)
07-13-2008 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Buzsaw
07-13-2008 10:30 AM


Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
I'm a 73 yr old American who has observed public activity of Americans over the decades. I've observed a time when it would be either dangerous or illegal to engage publically in intimate homosexual activity in most communities across this nation.
Yeah, and that sucked so much that you changed your minds. Yay America!
As I said before a culture becomes more calloused and receptive to deviancy, the more it happens and is allowed in public.
Yes, but we're talking about kissing. This isn't "deviancy".
Is that "deviancy"? If two people are in love, and they kiss, is that "deviancy"? Really?
That's a strawman and I think you know it, DA. None of it was homosexually inspired. In most cultures it was simply a form of greeting, having nothing to do with erotic sexual passion.
Nearly true. Learn the meaning of the phrase "strawman".
The fact is that Jesus let a woman kiss his feet in public. So is it so very wrong if I kiss a woman on the mouth in public?
Note that my doing so was not in fact "homosexually inspired".
My only purpose in touching on this was to show how deviant activity leads away from what is good, normal, civilized and proper for intelligent beings. Nowhere does the Bible advocate human sacrifice by humans ...
Er ... you remember how I just proved that it does?
... just as it does not advocate homosexual activity. Intelligent humans have a natural tendency to feel uncomfortable with any kind of activity which is deviant to the norm by and large over the millenia in civilized cultures.
Kissing in public ...
Oh, I notice it's still "deviant to the norm".
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Taz
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Message 30 of 63 (475089)
07-13-2008 10:50 AM


I'm sorry that this is a little off topic, but I couldn't stop laughing after I read this article. Here it is. Italian wins gay driving ban case
quote:
An Italian court has ordered the government to pay 100,000 euros (79,919) to a man who had to retake his driving test because he was gay.
Danilo Giuffrida, now 26, told doctors he was homosexual during a medical examination for military service.
The information was passed to the defence and transport ministries.
Mr Giuffrida was told to repeat his driving test or have his licence suspended because of his "sexual identity disturbance".
Mr Giuffrida passed his test for the second time but his licence was renewed for just one year rather than the usual 10 years because of his homosexuality.
A court in Catania, Sicily, ordered the ministries to pay damages on the basis that Mr Giuffrida's constitutional rights had been breached and that homosexuality could not be considered a "mental illness".
The judge said the actions of the ministries showed "evident sexual discrimination".
Mr Giuffrida welcomed the sentence as "a step forwards for civil rights."
Hahahahaha. I've known that gay people can't kiss. But now, apparently they can't drive either.

  
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