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Straggler
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Message 23 of 63 (475081)
07-13-2008 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Buzsaw
07-13-2008 10:03 AM


Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
1. The fact that you and billions of other humans have felt uncomfortable observing activity deviant to what's been the norm in civilized cultures over the millenia is evidence that you do indeed have an inherent inhibition to this deviant activity.
Would you feel comfortable watching explicit public scenes of "non deviant" sexual practices? Would a married man and woman going at it hammer and tong in the middle of a busy shopping centre be any more acceptable to you?
2. Would you consider something odd and abnormal observing a plumber attempting to couple up two male or two female parts to a plumbing system when the parts are physically designed to couple up male to female?
Without wanting to get overly graphic....
There is no biological difference between the inside of a mans mouth and the inside of a womans.
So same sex oral practices are presumably equally as acceptable (or unacceptable?) in your view as male - female ones?
As the gay plumber said - "If the pipe fits.........."

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Straggler
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Message 32 of 63 (475094)
07-13-2008 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Buzsaw
07-13-2008 10:30 AM


Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
But which sexual practices are deviant and which are not?
Who decides?
On what basis?
Should all "non-deviant" sexual practices be allowed to be practiced in public?
Who decides what is allowed in public?
On what basis?
Should a married couple be allowed to get down and dirty, full on intercourse in the middle of a crowded public park during the day?
Should gay people be baned from performing oral sex on each other in the privacy of their homes?
On what basis do you make your conclusions?
Intelligent humans have a natural tendency to feel uncomfortable with any kind of activity which is deviant to the norm by and large over the millenia in civilized cultures.
Yes but what is the 'The Norm'. The norm in Victorain England would not be the norm in North America 50 years ago. The norm for you is not the norm for a 19 year old today.
Everyone has a tendancy to think 'the norm' is as things were when they were growing up.
What is the norm? Where and when exactly did this norm exist in your view?
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Straggler
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Message 38 of 63 (475127)
07-13-2008 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Buzsaw
07-13-2008 1:18 PM


Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
Straggler, as I've reiterated, what is deviant and what is normal pertains to what nearly all civilized cultures have considered deviant and/or normal relative to this topic throughout recorded human history.
Yes you have asserted this. It still makes no real sense. Normality is whatever is considered normal in a given culture. The definites you imply but refuse to state do not exist.
Various cultures throughout history have had very different views as to what is 'normal' and what is 'deviant' in terms of sexual behaviour.
It would be impossible to get any sort of consensus amongst the various cultures that exist now!!!! Never mind including all those that have existed in the past!!!!
So what is 'normal' and where and when in human history this 'normality' actually in effect?
For someone with such definite views and supposedly well founded conclusions as to what is 'normal' and what is not you seem very reluctant to actually define or describe what is normal and the basis of this 'normality'.
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Straggler
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Message 45 of 63 (475222)
07-14-2008 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Buzsaw
07-13-2008 10:30 PM


Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
Why do I need to keep repeating what I said when you quoted exactly what I said? I said Recorded human history bears out....... and sexually related intimate activity
Were the ancient greeks, Egyptians or Romans 'civilised'? Modern day sexual explicitness would seem relatively moderate compared to some of the practices of these cultures.
Are modern day Islamic cultures civilised? (many of these would consider the levels of sexual indiscretion of 1940s North America that you seem to find so acceptable absolutely abhorrant)
Which cultures are you talking about exactly?
Name a few.
If the examples are so numerous this should not be difficult.
You keep stating that there are many such cultures and that these are the historical norm. However you also seem utterly unable to actually name a single specific example.
Or are you setting up a circular argument whereby the 'civilised' cultures that are examples of your accepted levels of sexual discretion are themselves defined as 'civilised' by their levels of sexual discretion?
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