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Dr Adequate
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Message 13 of 63 (475055)
07-13-2008 7:47 AM 		Reply to: Message 10 by Buzsaw
07-12-2008 10:19 PM

Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
Recorded human history bears out what is natural and good for the conduct between humans, be it between two men, two women or between man and woman in private and in public. For the most part, sexually related intimate activity appears naturally to be for privacy in civilized human cultures.
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If that's meant to apply to kissing in public (sheesh) it appears that it is Americans who are the odd ones out.
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The cannibalistic pagans of uncivilized cultures who practiced human sacrifices etc are examples of what deviancy from what is good, natural and imo, Biblical eventually leads to.
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There's plenty of kissing in the Bible.
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Jesus writes:
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Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet.
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She kissed Jesus' feet. In public. He praised her for it. Your call.
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The cannibalistic pagans of uncivilized cultures who practiced human sacrifices etc are examples of what deviancy from what is good, natural and imo, Biblical eventually leads to.
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Ooh, let's talk about the Bible and human sacrifice!
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The Bible writes:
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At the LORD's command, a man of God from Judah went to Bethel, and he arrived there just as Jeroboam was approaching the altar to offer a sacrifice. Then at the LORD's command, he shouted, "O altar, altar! This is what the LORD says: A child named Josiah will be born into the dynasty of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you." (1 Kings 13:1-2)
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Dr Adequate
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Message 22 of 63 (475079)
07-13-2008 10:17 AM 		Reply to: Message 16 by Phat
07-13-2008 8:44 AM

Re: Affection, Passion, and Lust.
Kissing is not uncommon. Passionate kissing is not as common. To discern the difference, ask yourself if you would have any problem doing it in front of grandmother on Thanksgiving.
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No, I wouldn't.
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This is entirely a cultural thing. To Americans, it seems that kissing ought to be a private thing, like fellatio. To a European, kissing is something that you can do in public, like holding hands.
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You are the odd ones out here.
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Message 29 of 63 (475087)
07-13-2008 10:45 AM 		Reply to: Message 26 by Buzsaw
07-13-2008 10:30 AM

Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
I'm a 73 yr old American who has observed public activity of Americans over the decades. I've observed a time when it would be either dangerous or illegal to engage publically in intimate homosexual activity in most communities across this nation.
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Yeah, and that sucked so much that you changed your minds. Yay America!
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As I said before a culture becomes more calloused and receptive to deviancy, the more it happens and is allowed in public.
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Yes, but we're talking about kissing. This isn't "deviancy".
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Is that "deviancy"? If two people are in love, and they kiss, is that "deviancy"? Really?
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That's a strawman and I think you know it, DA. None of it was homosexually inspired. In most cultures it was simply a form of greeting, having nothing to do with erotic sexual passion.
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Nearly true. Learn the meaning of the phrase "strawman".
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The fact is that Jesus let a woman kiss his feet in public. So is it so very wrong if I kiss a woman on the mouth in public?
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Note that my doing so was not in fact "homosexually inspired".
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My only purpose in touching on this was to show how deviant activity leads away from what is good, normal, civilized and proper for intelligent beings. Nowhere does the Bible advocate human sacrifice by humans ...
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Er ... you remember how I just proved that it does?
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... just as it does not advocate homosexual activity. Intelligent humans have a natural tendency to feel uncomfortable with any kind of activity which is deviant to the norm by and large over the millenia in civilized cultures.
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Kissing in public ...
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Oh, I notice it's still "deviant to the norm".
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Dr Adequate
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Message 31 of 63 (475090)
07-13-2008 10:51 AM 		Reply to: Message 23 by Straggler
07-13-2008 10:20 AM

Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
Straggler writes:
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Would you feel comfortable watching explicit public scenes of "non deviant" sexual practices? Would a married man and woman going at it hammer and tong in the middle of a busy shopping centre be any more acceptable to you?
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A great question which I should also like Buzsaw to answer.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 40 of 63 (475155)
07-13-2008 6:05 PM 		Reply to: Message 35 by Buzsaw
07-13-2008 1:24 PM

Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
DA, I addressed that in my messatge 10 as follows:
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Recorded human history bears out what is natural and good for the conduct between humans, be it between two men, two women or between man and woman in private and in public. For the most part, sexually related intimate activity appears naturally to be for privacy in civilized human cultures.
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Which is OK, except that it brings me back to my point.
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Most "civilized human cultures" are fine with people kissing in public. Americans have the need to become juvenile about it and shout "get a room", something that puzzled me a lot until I realised that you guys really do think it disgusting for two people in love to kiss in public.
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And I think this is weird. Europeans think it's weird, and frankly we outnumber you. If you're going to appeal to the practice of "civilized human cultures", then I guess that Europe is fairly "civilized", and we win and we outnumber you and you are wrong.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 44 of 63 (475217)
07-14-2008 7:45 AM 		Reply to: Message 41 by Buzsaw
07-13-2008 10:30 PM

Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
Recorded human history bears out....... and sexually related intimate activity. I'm not talking about what is acceptable today when I say in civilized cultures intimate kissing, fondling etc in public has not been the norm.
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Where does "recorded human history" bear this out? If you have the whole of recorded history on your side, perhaps you could quote some of it.
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