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Author Topic:   The world has turned upside down!!! (Re: McCain vs. Obama for President)
Jazzns
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Message 61 of 210 (474788)
07-10-2008 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Artemis Entreri
07-10-2008 11:04 PM


lol, who knew the comedy this site had to offer!?!
I'm here every Thursday! Don't forget to tip your waitress!
I laugh too when I think about how more and more each day Republicans are embarrassed to admit how they are registered to pollsters. I thought that was the funniest part. Man on man, kneeslapper the whole mess is isn't it?
progressive, lol you cant be serious. the ONLY Progressive president was Theodore Roosevelt (a republican BTW).
Seems like I was talking about Virginians not Presidents...but then again, for Republicans, when someone doesn't agree with you that automatically gives you the right to twist their words however you please. It makes it easier to seem like you have something important to say. Too bad it doesn't change the fact that your state is getting more blue every day.
yeah they did, thanks to the republicans
It sure is too bad that you have to look back into different centuries to find examples of when the Republican party stood for morals and civil rights. They abandoned that though during the Civil Rights movement.
yea..you know, since they openly despise that whole Civil Rights thing.
Edited by Jazzns, : No reason given.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 62 of 210 (474806)
07-11-2008 6:57 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Jazzns
07-10-2008 11:59 PM


quote:
Too bad it doesn't change the fact that your state is getting more blue every day.
a fact? what about your state? named as the new version of a crappy a$$ 3rd world country, that BTW in my life time (30 years) have voted Repulican (Red) for president than has not 4/7 times.
quote:
It sure is too bad that you have to look back into different centuries to find examples of when the Republican party stood for morals and civil rights. They abandoned that though during the Civil Rights movement.
LOL!!!! the civil rights movement was in a different century too.
though during the civil rights movement, your statement of abandonment is completely false, or a lie (i dont know you so i cant say which one for certain).
from wikipedia here is the voting on the civil rights act of 1964 democrats vs. republicans:
By party
The original House version:[7]
Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)
The Senate version:[7]
Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[7]
Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)
keep your lies or false propaganda to yourself.

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Jazzns
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Message 63 of 210 (474861)
07-11-2008 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Artemis Entreri
07-11-2008 6:57 AM


a fact?
Yea, its been in the news for many months now. The demographics in Virginia are shifting toward the Democratic party.
what about your state?
Same story, New Mexico is getting more and more Democratic every day. We will have the same situation as Virginia after this election. A Governor(D) and 2 Senators (D).
In fact, the entire nation is shifting blue. Have you not been paying attention?
named as the new version of a crappy a$$ 3rd world country,
Racist much? What does that have anything to do with the facts? Apparently you prefer hyperbole to debate.
that BTW in my life time (30 years) have voted Repulican (Red) for president than has not 4/7 times.
NM has a lot of rural voters. We are a mix of California and Texas. Perfect mixture for a battleground state.
RE: The Civil Rights Movement.
Feel free to correct me because I am going on memory here. But after that happened, under a Democratic president, there was a mass exodus from the democratic party to the republican party of all our segregationists.
That was when the polarization happened. If you were a racist democrat from the south, you were more likely than not to jump ship.
You can show me votes all day, but the fact of the matter is that the south used to be a democratic stronghold until the Civil Rights Act signed by LBJ. If it was Republicans that were the champions of Civil Rights then why did the backlash target the Democrats?
Should be a simple question. Lets see if we get debate or more hyperbole.
Edited by Jazzns, : No reason given.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 64 of 210 (474865)
07-11-2008 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Jazzns
07-11-2008 5:43 PM


In fact, the entire nation is shifting blue. Have you not been paying attention?
must be all the foreigners, um i mean immigrants. the new crowd always falls for the entitlement, and the hype.
Racist much? What does that have anything to do with the facts? Apparently you prefer hyperbole to debate.
apparently you prefer to make personal attacks than to debate.
Mexico does suck, bad. there is nothing racial about it, I think Canada sucks too (not as much as mexico), but you wouldn't call me a racist for not liking canada, so cut your character assassinating leftist BS. if you want to debate that is (most on the left just want to use name calling so i wouldn't be suprised if you didn't want to debate). Besides mexican is not even a race, its a nationality. do you even know what racism means? or do you just throw the word around when you have nothing else to say?
Yea, its been in the news for many months now.
the media is all about facts, i forgot.
You can show me votes all day, but the fact of the matter is that the south used to be a democratic stronghold until the Civil Rights Act signed by LBJ. If it was Republicans that were the champions of Civil Rights then why did the backlash target the Democrats?
what i read from this is "you can show me evidence all day long but im still going to think what i want to". are you a creationist? or ID fan, because your approach to the evidence in political matters is very similar to thiers in scietific matters.
Should be a simple question. Lets see if we get debate or more hyperbole.
Im waiting to see how many more times you call me a racist 1st, you drop the slander for no reason, and i'll drop the hyperbole.
Edited by Artemis Entreri, : i proof read in the thread.

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Jazzns
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Message 65 of 210 (474868)
07-11-2008 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Artemis Entreri
07-11-2008 6:12 PM


must be all the foreigners, um i mean immigrants. the new crowd always falls for the entitlement, and the hype.
Unless you are Native American, someone in your family history was an immigrant into this country. And for that matter, New Mexico was settled and civilized plenty before the 13 colonies.
apparently you prefer to make personal attacks than to debate.
Mexico does suck, bad. there is nothing racial about it, I think Canada sucks too (not as much as mexico), but you wouldn't call me a racist for not liking canada, so cut your character assassinating leftist BS. if you want to debate that is (most on the left just want to use name calling so i wouldn't be suprised if you didn't want to debate). Besides mexican is not even a race, its a nationality. do you even know what racism means? or do you just throw the word around when you have nothing else to say?
Your right. I shouldn't have called you a racist. I got too fired up and the fact that you pick a racist symbol for your avatar doesn't help. That still doesn't change the fact that you comment was dismissive of my state for no reason. New Mexico has about as much to do with Mexico as Texas does.
You brought it up to try to dismiss the fact that your state is trending Democratic. Hence the, "so!!! what about your stupid state!!!" comment that you made. You baited my into a mudslinging contest that I should have been wise enough to avoid.
Its funny because of the fact that NM and VA are so similar in their political alignments this season. An increase of youth and new economic growth are pushing both states blue.
the media is all about facts, i forgot.
You don't have to trust them, go look up registration numbers and electoral history yourself.
For the first time in a very long time Virgina has a democratic governor. They got rid of a blatant racist when they ousted George Allen for Jim Webb. And this election cycle Warner was been consistently leading in the polls, is highly expected to win, even by the GOPs own analysis.
If you are a betting man, I would not recommend taking odds that you will have ANY Republican representation in the Senate next year.
what i read from this is "you can show me evidence all day long but im still going to think what i want to". are you a creationist? or ID fan, because your approach to the evidence in political matters is very similar to thiers in scietific matters.
What you are doing is only presenting some of the evidence and totally dismissing the larger picture of the history surrounding the Civil Rights movement. Thats why I take your roll calls showing the voting on civil rights legislation and raise you the fact that since then the south has been staunch republican. And the fact that as a result of the CRA of '64, many democrats jumped ship to your party precisely because they supported segregation.
Those are also facts, you just seem to like to hold on to your facts, and completely dismiss mine.
Im waiting to see how many more times you call me a racist 1st, you drop the slander for no reason, and i'll drop the hyperbole.
Fair enough. I retract my claims of racism and pose to you the question again.
1. Why is that if your party was the champion of Civil Rights did so many of the bigots flock to the rolls of the GOP?
2. If it was Republicans that were the champions of Civil Rights then why did the backlash target the Democrats?

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 66 of 210 (474872)
07-11-2008 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Jazzns
07-11-2008 7:04 PM


Your right. I shouldn't have called you a racist. I got too fired up and the fact that you pick a racist symbol for your avatar doesn't help. That still doesn't change the fact that you comment was dismissive of my state for no reason. New Mexico has about as much to do with Mexico as Texas does.
no problem, thanks for admitting it. i agree with you.
its so hard not to troll when ppl let themselve create emotional responses on a friggin message board.
Unless you are Native American
there is evidence that even they migrated here.
For the first time in a very long time Virgina has a democratic governor. They got rid of a blatant racist when they ousted George Allen for Jim Webb. And this election cycle Warner was been consistently leading in the polls, is highly expected to win, even by the GOPs own analysis.
i'll take your word on this. i moved to Virginia in May of 2008. I can even vote here yet, i have no clue about the local scene.
What you are doing is only presenting some of the evidence and totally dismissing the larger picture of the history surrounding the Civil Rights movement. Thats why I take your roll calls showing the voting on civil rights legislation and raise you the fact that since then the south has been staunch republican. And the fact that as a result of the CRA of '64, many democrats jumped ship to your party precisely because they supported segregation.
Those are also facts, you just seem to like to hold on to your facts, and completely dismiss mine.
and that is the problem about making it a partisan issue. i bait democrats who want to jump into the democrat vs. republican game. but when you do this i can claim that the republicans (Lincoln) saved the country, and if civil rights comes up i can make the justified claim that republicans passed that act too. its okay you arent the 1st democrat to take the bait, its a practised bait over many different message boards. most baiters have a short attention span and want to elict a response on the 1st post, for the good trolls it more about a set up. you gave a fired up emotional response and easily took the bait.
that is why i think its better to debate on a conservative / liberal, authoritative / libertarian scale. partisan stuff is a lot of BS.
BTW i agree with your post here too. but you wanted to talk parties, and i couldn't resist the opportunity.
YHBT
but im not a total asshole and since you have retracted i will try here as well.
PS after these crazy 8 years, i wouldn't consider myself a republican anymore, and im not voting for either of these candiates.
1. Why is that if your party was the champion of Civil Rights did so many of the bigots flock to the rolls of the GOP?
i have no clue. though ive never been a registered republican and have no problem jumping of the ship. If I am still a republican, im a Barry Goldwater Republican. Im guessing because they were always conservative and the democrats took a liberal shift. personally i wish they would have stayed democrats, then the conservatives would have had a choice when voting. i think the only conservative democrats left are ones in the house in northern rural states, i have voted for one before.
2. If it was Republicans that were the champions of Civil Rights then why did the backlash target the Democrats?
im sorry but i honestly have no idea what you are asking, can you rephrase it or explain this backlash, its a bit vague to me.
PPS no hard feelings but you walked right into that emotional response.
Edited by Artemis Entreri, : huge contradiction

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Dr Adequate
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Message 67 of 210 (474920)
07-12-2008 8:13 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Artemis Entreri
07-11-2008 7:37 PM


and that is the problem about making it a partisan issue. i bait democrats who want to jump into the democrat vs. republican game. but when you do this i can claim that the republicans (Lincoln) saved the country, and if civil rights comes up i can make the justified claim that republicans passed that act too.
And I can point out that conservatives opposed the War of Independence.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 68 of 210 (474937)
07-12-2008 1:09 PM
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07-12-2008 8:13 AM


And I can point out that conservatives opposed the War of Independence.
and i can point out several who where for it, whats your point?
Knuck if you buck.

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Jazzns
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Message 69 of 210 (475162)
07-13-2008 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Artemis Entreri
07-11-2008 7:37 PM


and that is the problem about making it a partisan issue. i bait democrats who want to jump into the democrat vs. republican game. but when you do this i can claim that the republicans (Lincoln) saved the country, and if civil rights comes up i can make the justified claim that republicans passed that act too.
Yea the Republicans used to be the party of the Constitution. I don't know why they voted the way they did for the CRA. But this is what LBJ had to say after it was signed into law:
We have just lost the South for a generation.
I would prefer that both political parties stand up for the Constitution first and leave their differences for other things like economic policy, education, etc. The danger of only having 1 party who stands up for civil rights (most of the time) is that they could potentially be corrupted also and we could have a situation where no one is guarding the Constitution.
m sorry but i honestly have no idea what you are asking, can you rephrase it or explain this backlash, its a bit vague to me.
See the LBJ quote above. After the CRA was signed, the southern states, which had been staunchly blue, shifted red.
My question is, if the Republicans were to "blame" for the Civil Rights Act, why is it that the southern states rejected the Democrats after it passed? Shouldn't they have been pissed off at all those Republicans who voted for it?

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Message 70 of 210 (475169)
07-13-2008 7:51 PM
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06-05-2008 2:49 PM


Obama's fatal likeness of JFK
Taz writes:
No offense to anyone, but between a white elderly and a black youngster... um... I guess we will see if America is more racist or more ageist.
It won't matter in the end. Do you think the redneck racists of America will tolerate Obama as POTUS? He is perhaps too much like JFK. And he is prime meat for any sniper who has "KKK" tattooed on his chest. A vote for Obama is a vote for his assassination, IMHO. And I am sincere in my worries about his impending martyrdom.
”HM

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Jazzns
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Message 71 of 210 (475247)
07-14-2008 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Fosdick
07-13-2008 7:51 PM


Re: Obama's fatal likeness of JFK
A vote for Obama is a vote for his assassination, IMHO.
That is a whole bucketfull of fearmongering right there!
And I am sincere in my worries about his impending martyrdom.
There were actually many AA voters who were concerned with that as well in the early days of the primary.
I find it disgusting that in our country this is something that we can have a dinnertable conversation about.
"Don't put that ethic person in office, for his own good!"

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Fosdick 
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Message 72 of 210 (475252)
07-14-2008 11:25 AM
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07-14-2008 10:44 AM


Re: Obama's fatal likeness of JFK
Jazzns writes:
HM writes:
A vote for Obama is a vote for his assassination, IMHO.
That is a whole bucketfull of fearmongering right there!
I don't mean to monger fear; it's only my opinion. Obama will win and he will top of every trigger-happy racial bigot's hit list. This is why we need to pay very special attention to who he selects as his veep. We sure as hell don't need another Lyndon Johnson to step into the White House and blow it all over again.
On the off chance that BHO survives his eight years as POTUS, I'd say Americans would be far better off than any other scenario we have available. (But even if we put SpongeBob SquarePants in there we'd be far better off than we have been over the past eight years.)
”HM

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 73 of 210 (475279)
07-14-2008 4:22 PM
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07-13-2008 7:51 PM


Re: Obama's fatal likeness of JFK
It won't matter in the end. Do you think the redneck racists of America will tolerate Obama as POTUS? He is perhaps too much like JFK. And he is prime meat for any sniper who has "KKK" tattooed on his chest. A vote for Obama is a vote for his assassination, IMHO. And I am sincere in my worries about his impending martyrdom.
word. i dont think he has much chance. though mccain is so old he may not have much time left either, maybe its all about the VPs.
not all rednecks are racist.

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Message 74 of 210 (475303)
07-14-2008 7:44 PM
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Re: Obama's fatal likeness of JFK
AE writes:
not all rednecks are racist.
That's true enough. I've lived in Georgia and met a few rednecks who were more liberal and tolerant than I.
”HM

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Message 75 of 210 (475309)
07-14-2008 11:02 PM


October 07 - Obama Long Shot
Way back in October 07 when it didn't appear that Obama had a prayer

this
is what I posted:
Methinks Obama may very well still be a Muslim. Islam teaches and practices lying if it's for the advancemnt of Islam. The Koran teaches that Islam must rule the world and Biblical prophecies seem to indicate that the Islamic nations will prevail in the end to the point of invading Jerusalem with success to the point of taking a third of the city before Armageddon ensues to destroy the invading nations noted in Ezekiel 38.
Methinks the kingdom Obama is referring to is none other than the Islam global kingdom that Islamic leaders intend on establish as per past and present violent aggression but certainly he's never going to say so. He's certainly not a Christian fundie and the only other religious group that forsees a kingdom of God on earth coming is Islam and fundamentalist Christians like myself. The difference is that the Christian fundies have no intentions of forcefully establishing the kingdom. It is Jesus the christ/messiah who will take care of that at his 2nd advent according to the Bible prophecies both OT and NT. On the otherhand Islam intends to violently conquer the world for their god Allah and the Islamic faith.
Imo, this man has been set up by Ben Ladden or the Saudi Wahabis or the Iran Shihites to become president of the US so as to advance Islam in the US and worldwide as well as to end the US support for Israel etc.
It will not surprise me if Obama becomes the next president of the US despite his lagging position presently. Perhaps he's got some cards in his hand to trump Hilary, being she has a lot of dirdy baggage in her closet from the shenanigans of the Clinton administration.
The Western nations are stupid on Islam, thinking that it's basically peaceful. The only peaceful ones are the ones who haven't been subjugated yet or the ones who have been subjugated but dare not speak up, who want out but will be in jeopardy of loosing their head if they do so.
Imo, even if he is a setup for Islam and were to become president, he would never admit to it. He will simply undermine the resolve of the US to protect Israel and to make war on terrorism all the while maintaining his role as a closet Muslim.
Perhaps I have it all wrong, but I'm going to be watching him and listening to what he says closely. I forget what it was but something he said recently regarding our policy in the Mideast caught my attention. Imo, only a Muslim intends to establish a kingdom of some god on earth. Christian fundies know one's coming but knowing the prophecies have no intention of doing it themselves by violent force.
Has anyone here taken note of who endorses Obama or the ultra radicals who have mentored him and with whom he has chosen to be associated with over the years?
Totalitarian thugs endorse Obama.
Edited by Buzsaw, : Add info

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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