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Itachi Uchiha
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Message 9 of 21 (475583)
07-16-2008 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by sl33w
07-16-2008 7:38 PM


Re: Debt to an Atheist
sl33w writes:
The Jewish day was founded on Genesis 1.1., and they had 12 hours of darkness (evening) and then 12 hours of light (morning).
Not in my bible! Mine says "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
and verse 2 says "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
the "day" is founded on verse 5 and it says nothing about being the 12 hours of daylight and 12 hours of night. Thats you speculating. The 24 hour period we call a day depends on the earth's rotation on its axis while it rotates around the sun. The sun was not created until the fourth day (Gen 1:14). There is no textual reference in the bible that suggests that the first three days were the same as todays 24 hour periods.
sl33w writes:
I was in the dark about the subject of this theme, "evening and morning," and God sent me a book by an Atheist, trying to disprove the existence of God.
A) Genesis 1.11, "the herb was in the field on the third day."
B) Genesis 2.4-5; "Heaven and Earth were created before the herb was in the field."
The Atheist was ecstatic at his discovery!
He concluded, "The Bible is full of contradictions, and so, there is no God!"
"The fool has said in his heart, 'No [plural] Gods (MYHLA)" - Ps 53.1.
It IS a contradiction, but I grant it is not enough to confirm there is no God. Your post failed to clear the contradiction up, if that was your original purpose. Citing bible verses will not sustain your claims; the data will. Lets try to stick to the data shall we?

With my eyes there's nothing you can do that I can't see through.

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Itachi Uchiha
Member (Idle past 5633 days)
Posts: 272
From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco
Joined: 06-21-2003


Message 15 of 21 (475716)
07-17-2008 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by ramoss
07-16-2008 10:16 PM


Re: Debt to an Atheist
ramoss writes:
While the term 'yom' might not mean a specific time frame, the context of 'morning and night, and in context of when Genesis was written makes it obvious that they talking about days as known by man.
Yes, but how do they know that? How can they know it was "days as known by man" when that depends on the rotation of the earth on its own axis and around the sun and the sun being created on the 4th day which woud in turn become the first day "as known by man".

With my eyes there's nothing you can do that I can't see through.

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Itachi Uchiha
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Posts: 272
From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco
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Message 16 of 21 (475717)
07-17-2008 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by bluescat48
07-17-2008 6:10 AM


Re: Debt to an Atheist
bluescat48 writes:
The point is that whoever compiled Gen 1:1-5 did not know that the earth rotated, per the above:
"And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night."
No, you missed the point. THe point is that without the sun and the rotation of earth on its own axis, what then separates night from day?

With my eyes there's nothing you can do that I can't see through.

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Itachi Uchiha
Member (Idle past 5633 days)
Posts: 272
From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco
Joined: 06-21-2003


Message 17 of 21 (475723)
07-17-2008 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by sl33w
07-17-2008 4:22 PM


Re: To Peurto Rican friend
sl33w writes:
You Atheists have no "data" and so that is your only line of defense to claim that Bible believers have no data.
Lets take a look at a little piece of the data we have but first, lets start with some assumptions.
Assumption-Your a creationist that believes genesis as it is written
Assumption-I'll assume the bible is literal just like you do
Assumption-Theres only one creation account in Genesis and it is Chap 1
Now lets start with the data
1)The sun was created on the forth day
2)A day in planet earth means the 12 hours of light and 12 hours of darkness (If you live close to the equator as I do. If not youll experience drastic changes of light and darkness hours in summer and winter the closer you get to the poles)
3)There is no possible way of concluding based on a literal biblical interpretation of genesis that the first three days wee 24 hr periods. They could be 48 hr periods, 96 hr periods, years etc. Saying they were also 24 hr periods is just pure speculation and dishonest.
THis of course raises more questions
1) What was the source of light for the first three days?
2) What separated day from night? Did God have a flashlight or something he just turned on and off when he felt like it?
This is what we have from an honest reading of genesis assuming it is literal truth. The rest, is just people's imagination.
sl33w writes:
All encyclopedias document many nations destroyed, that God predicted He would destroy in the Bible.
You mean the old testament genocides. Oh yeah. You should feel very proud of that don't you? I'm gonna recommend you a book. It's called t\The Bible Unearthed. Go check it out at Amazon or something and see what modern archeology has to say about that statement.
sl33w writes:
The Ottoman Empire surrendered "unconditionally" to the British General, Edmond Allenby, on Nov. 29, 1918.
I'm sorry I got a bit lost here. THis proves exactly what?
sl33w writes:
Jesus had John write this in AD 67, Revelation 16; "Armageddon."
So are you saying that the surrender of the ottoman empire to the British was armageddon? I thought Christians were sti waiting for this one.
sl33w writes:
Can you Atheists match anything like that?
Well an atheist was the one responsible for developing the windows software youre using right now to make such contemptible statements. Atheist doctor sequenced DNA. Skeptic literature is much better on purely literary grounds than the bible. Take Salman Rushdie for example and compare him to Tim Lahaye's crappy novels for example. I could go on forever.

With my eyes there's nothing you can do that I can't see through.

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