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Author Topic:   if Nothing is Nothing then why a God?
DC85
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Message 31 of 40 (47580)
07-27-2003 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by thomasian
07-27-2003 11:35 AM


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the whole lot of it is very convincing.nothing causes Him but He causes everything

then Explain to us what God is if not anything at all? as what your saying that everything is created by him but he isn't included? how can you create youreslf?


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doctrbill
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Message 32 of 40 (47586)
07-27-2003 3:05 PM
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07-27-2003 2:15 PM


DC85 writes:

how can you create youreslf?


Ever hear of the "self-made man"? The man who lifts himself up "by his bootstraps."? The guy who "assumes command"?

Perhaps this God was just an amazingly creative guy, and the world he created was their world, not the universe as we know it.

Seems silly, I know, but then so does the alternative.

db

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Beercules
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Message 33 of 40 (47594)
07-27-2003 4:40 PM


There is some confusion regarding a universe created from nothing. The vacuum is not nothing, as it is just the ground state of the field(s). Often there is talk that the entire universe, including all of spacetime, was created as a fluctuation in nothing. This to is not the existential nothing, as the pre big bang void refered to is a state where spacetime does not exist, but the laws of physics do. So in that sense, the question would only be changed to, "why are there laws of physics instead of nothing?".
  
thomasian
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Message 34 of 40 (47644)
07-28-2003 2:53 AM
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07-27-2003 1:03 PM


oh well..i respect all your opinions here.im a newbie and i still have a hard time expressing myself. i study in a thomasian institute that's why most of my POVs are thomasian.i'll have a good come back soon.

thank you guys!


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Message 35 of 40 (47710)
07-28-2003 10:48 AM
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07-28-2003 2:53 AM


Welcome, Thom
What is a thomasian institure? What is this point of view? Could you start a separate topic for it, rather than clutter this one?
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thomasian
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Message 36 of 40 (47847)
07-29-2003 5:08 AM
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07-28-2003 10:48 AM


what i meant by a thomasian institute is that i study in a university [university of sto. tomas]whose teachings are mostly based on the teachings of st.thomas of aquinas.

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zephyr
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Message 37 of 40 (47886)
07-29-2003 11:54 AM
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07-29-2003 5:08 AM


The knowledge of one man seems a rather narrow basis for an entire degree program. Do you mean that your study of all subjects is tempered by a worldview that approximates that of Thomas?
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thomasian
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Message 38 of 40 (47964)
07-30-2003 4:05 AM
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07-29-2003 11:54 AM


no.our patron saint is st.thomas that's why professors usually add his contributions to our lectures.we don't really focus on him.maybe mention him once in a while but never dwell on it.our courses are interdisciplinary.
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Message 39 of 40 (48008)
07-30-2003 9:39 AM
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07-30-2003 4:05 AM


Which kinda contradicts message 36 does it not?

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thomasian
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Message 40 of 40 (48293)
08-01-2003 8:34 AM
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07-30-2003 9:39 AM


not really.im just being more specific in message number 36 i think .what i mean is that, we usually chip in aquinas' teachings every now and then in our theology class.but in our whole curriculum [in all our subjects] we call it interdisciplinary

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