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cavediver
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Message 83 of 176 (475808)
07-18-2008 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Straggler
07-17-2008 8:57 PM


Re: Anti Everything
Bottom line: In a country of 60 million people there were 52 deaths due to guns in 2007 and 784 murders in total.
In the US: "In 2004, the most recent year for which figures are available, an average of about 81 people died every day from gunfire in the united states. All told 29,569 people were killed that year by firearms"
Go figure...........
surely end of conversation?

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cavediver
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Message 84 of 176 (475809)
07-18-2008 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by ICANT
07-18-2008 12:01 PM


Re: Anti Everything
I truly hope that your government never becomes corrupt. We know the crooks are getting more plentiful in UK. What would you do if it got to the point the police was just as corrupt as the crooks and you could not even tell them apart except for the uniform.
I guess our government has been evolving for well over half a millenium longer than yours - if you manage to get to our stage, you'll probably feel sufficiently comfortable to let go of those guns

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cavediver
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Message 86 of 176 (475814)
07-18-2008 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by New Cat's Eye
07-18-2008 12:59 PM


Re: Anti Everything
40 people per million killed by a firearm in a year
compared to the UK's less than 1 people per million...
surely end of conversation?

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cavediver
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Message 90 of 176 (475821)
07-18-2008 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by ICANT
07-18-2008 2:05 PM


Re: Anti Everything
We have a bunch of bleeding hearts that won't send them home. If you think I am giving up my weapons you got another think coming.
Ever been round Ravenholm in Half Life 2? I'm sure I've met you there

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cavediver
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Message 94 of 176 (475851)
07-19-2008 3:36 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by ICANT
07-18-2008 2:05 PM


Re: Anti Everything
At the present we have over 20 million people in the US illegally.
We have a bunch of bleeding hearts that won't send them home. If you think I am giving up my weapons you got another think coming.
God Bless,
I do have to ask... how many of the 20 million do you think you can personally kill? Being a pastor, I would hope that you'd merely shoot them in the leg, but I guess that would sort of stop them making their way back home, so I can see the argument that death would be the more obvious solution.
When you raise the gun at someone, do you see Jesus standing there beside you, raising his as well?

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cavediver
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Message 95 of 176 (475852)
07-19-2008 3:43 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by ICANT
07-18-2008 9:53 PM


Re: Re:What I Don't Know
It does suggest that they believe what the media is telling them.
Again, perhaps in 700 years or so you might just have a press that actually isn't scared of its own government
The press have been scaremongering crime for all time - as one BBC journalist asked the other day, when the latest figures were released (paraphrase from memory) "so do you think we the press have been responsible for making the public believe that crime has been increasing when in fact it has been decreasing?" related link here

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cavediver
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Message 106 of 176 (475968)
07-20-2008 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Artemis Entreri
07-20-2008 6:59 AM


2. the second amendment is a response by our ancestors to thier ancestors, after reading thier dribble on the past two pages it is so obvious that the founding fathers knew so much about the british back then that so adequately applies to british today.
welcome back Artemis - you're far funnier when not suspended
I cannot even begin to fathom the idea of a monarchy
It's about this thing called history, and I completely understand that that's a concept with which you have little experience...

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cavediver
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Message 113 of 176 (476016)
07-20-2008 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Artemis Entreri
07-20-2008 12:42 PM


whatever you say, subject.
I'd love to reply, but I've just recieved a telegramme from ma'am saying she'll set the corgis on me if I carry on in this way - and she is the boss and I am, as you say, the subject...

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cavediver
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Message 114 of 176 (476017)
07-20-2008 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Artemis Entreri
07-20-2008 12:42 PM


yeah i never figured out why i got supended
I'm not sure about suspension, but this comment
i think you are misquoting him.
i did a simple google search of heinlein quotes, and i could not find those quotes. yet you speak of dishonesty.
made you sad geek of the week, for insisting on an internet link to a literary quote
and then followed by this little gem
give me a link or STFU
just made you sad wanker of the month. Bit of growing up to be done, me thinks.

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cavediver
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Message 121 of 176 (476096)
07-21-2008 4:32 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by New Cat's Eye
07-21-2008 3:36 AM


Personally, I would like more guns about. I'd like to carry one myself and assume the man next to me also has one. I bet that all these assholes I bump into on the streets of St Louis would be far more cordial if they thought I was packing. That they "know" that I'm not yields all sorts of assholishness that I bump into everyday (well, maybe not everyday, but all the days that I do go downtown. I mean, no body ever says "excuse me" anymore. No simple "hellos", nothing but a bunch of assholes bumping into each other without remark. It sucks ass. Nobody is friendly and it really "grinds my gears" [thanks Peter Griffen]. I honestly believe that if all of the law abiding citizens were "packing", then those assholes would be less assholish. Its that fact that we really cannot do anything about it, that permits the behavior. Now, having a gun on your hip doesn't mean you could actually "do anything" about it. Their use is strictly regulated. But it certainly, to me, makes people more friendly to each other. No talking shit or failing to excuse thyself would not be "acceptable" and people would be more cordial.)
Gotta say, CS, that has to be one of the scariest paragraphs I have ever read on EvC
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cavediver
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Message 171 of 176 (477139)
07-30-2008 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by Granny Magda
07-30-2008 2:06 PM


Re: Charlton Heston
My nationality is irrelevant and your constantly bringing up the fact that myself and other posters are British, as though it were relevant smacks of xenophobia. It's also quite dull.
Au contraire - I've pissed myself laughing at many of Arty's comments. What was that about having tons of ammo regarding UK Law and do you really think it only "smacks" of xenophobia? Though to be fair, it is probably just a large dose of inferiority - we should give him a break
Apologies to AZPaul for the off-topicness - I have a hunch he will make a post complaining about this...
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Edited by cavediver, : prescience

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