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Author Topic:   ¿Can you believe in an old earth and a global flood?
Coyote
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Message 4 of 47 (451998)
01-29-2008 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Garabato
01-28-2008 10:09 PM


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What part of flood geology becomes hard to explain if one acepts an old earth?
Bible experts generally place the global flood at about 4350 years ago.
At that time period you look to archaeology and sedimentology, rather than geology, for evidence. These fields are pretty much unanimous that there was no global flood at that time.
There have been numerous local floods. Notable are the post-glacial floods, such as the ones that created the channeled scablands of southern and eastern Washington. Those resulted from ice dams in the area of the Idaho panhandle pooling water well into Montana. When those dams let loose, major parts of Washington were scoured, leaving very distinctive evidence behind. This evidence can be studied, giving a good idea of the number of the floods, and their ages.
The fact that no such evidence exists for a global flood much more recently is telling.
Regarding an old earth--events such as these, dated well past 6,000 years ago, all argue against the young earth belief. But the real evidence for the age of the earth comes from radioactive dating and a variety of other fields, not flood "geology."

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Message 11 of 47 (452033)
01-29-2008 12:53 PM
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01-29-2008 12:39 PM


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At that time period you look to archaeology and sedimentology, rather than geology, for evidence. These fields are pretty much unanimous that there was no global flood at that time.
Could you please back that up? What kind of evidence suggest that there was no global flood at that time?
Archaeology deals with these time periods all the time. I have personally conducted somewhere over 100 excavations and obtained nearly 600 radiocarbon dates. Maybe half of those have spanned that time period. I can detect no break at that time period in my own work, and my colleagues all over the world report similar results. There simply is no evidence of a global flood 4,350 years ago.
And the effects of a global flood would be very obvious. What we see instead are continuities: continuities of local cultures, soil profiles, fauna and flora, etc.
Two examples of continuity in local cultures and genetics: from the west coast there are skeletons at 10,300 years and 5,300 years in age with direct mtDNA continuity to living individuals. There is no break in that mtDNA and replacement with Middle Eastern mtDNA.
Another example: dendrochronology (tree ring dating) has established a record going back some 12,600 years based on bristlecone pines from the White Mountains of Southern California. Annual rings are counted for each year back to that date. There is no break in this pattern 4,350 years ago, as would be necessary if there was a global flood at that date.

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Message 30 of 47 (475672)
07-17-2008 11:44 AM
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07-17-2008 10:22 AM


Global flood
THE FLOOD WAS GLOBAL...
Please do start a new thread and present your evidence.
I too have some evidence, which I have generated from my own research, I would like to have your thoughts on.
Edited by Coyote, : Spelling: there should be no "n" in research!

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Message 36 of 47 (476158)
07-21-2008 4:08 PM
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07-21-2008 3:05 PM


Re: Select Topics
I'll explain it thoroughly in my book.
Why don't you pick a topic and explain it thoroughly here?
We could provide some commentary and perhaps criticism.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 41 of 47 (476205)
07-21-2008 11:04 PM
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07-21-2008 10:16 PM


Re: Illogical rivers, discredited flood
Its always good to keep a sense of humor around this subject of God flooding the earth and wiping out mankind and everything else.
Particularly since there is no scientific evidence that such a flood ever happened.
This is off topic here, but start a thread if you think you have evidence of a global flood at the appointed time (ca. 4350 years ago).
I have some evidence from my own research I'll throw in for free.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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