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Brad McFall
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Message 69 of 107 (30320)
01-27-2003 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by nator
01-27-2003 12:28 PM


Have Viruses as aboslute charge bearers in the 2nd Number Class been here before the nylon bacteria? I dont know if this chicken or egg came beofre in the first original place...

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Brad McFall
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Posts: 3428
From: Ithaca,NY, USA
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Message 74 of 107 (477185)
07-30-2008 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by ThinkGod247
07-29-2008 8:22 PM


Re: Humans scared of Dinosaurs before the flood?
Hello thinkinggod...
I am here at Ghost Ranch
Ghost Ranch - Education & Retreat Center - Abiquiu, NM
and though I learned how to pronounce "Coelophysis" from ICR programs I am having a hard time thinking about the geology here in terms of Noah's flood despite the reality that I am participating in a "week for peace" with the Presbyterian Church and everyone I interact with for this time is all about the the supernatural.
I just came back this afternoon from the Chinle horizon and it was not hard to find a fossil mud patterns. I got to the top of the Jurassic horizon and it makes some sense perhaps that there was a flood here in the Tertiary but to say that all the layers I can see were caused by a single flood or that the Coelophysis were killed by Noah's flood and "NOah" in the religious sense is hard for me imagine (I mean that in a positive way). At the end of the day I still find that extant creatures are just another ""geological layer on top of it all just as Leon Croizat (see my http://www.axiompanbiog.com)said but that this is in a different temporality than the mud patterns (thus man and dinos together is hard to fathom at these depths).
Best,
Brad
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Brad McFall
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Message 92 of 107 (478472)
08-15-2008 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by ThinkGod247
08-01-2008 4:25 AM


Re: Humans and Dinosaurs before the flood?
I got to go behind the scenes at Ghost Ranch and I saw a slab that had 4 or 5 Ceolophysis smushed together with another cool looking species. Both of these Chinle creatures had holes opening into the brain case. There was a small one fossilized right on top of a large one. One can almost imagine this was death of a baby on a mother as we can see today young alligators on mothers’ snout. There are numerous slabs like this presently at Harvard and Carnegie Melon but costs tend to prevent rapid excavation the paleontologist said.
This kind of rock fossil is what Young Earthers tend interpret as due to Noah’s flood as best I understand their work. I had a hard time seeing that this layer in that landscape was caused by a flood that would have had to form all of the layers I saw. Perhaps I have missed something in the Young Earth argument. If you think that I need to see the video you linked let me know again and I WILL look at it.
Instead, there seems to be a problem BOTH on the science and the religious sides.
As for the theology I would tend NOT to get to NOAH at this point but be thinking still only back in Genesis up to ADAM and “keeping and tilling” the garden. The eco-justice literature (rather than YEC) suggests that revelation indicates that the EARTH survives HEAVEN. This would be how I see the future acoming . There is not a sufficiently developed natural theology to permit the vision from being duly separated into empirical things and things some unknown but potentially due to God.
But on the science side there has been too much feality to Greek thought such that there is no recognition that teleology, orthogenesis, orthoselection, the two-step thought of natural selection, the organization of living matter, a design and the right of this inheritance passed on to science students can be rigoursly kept separate from the data that determines out of the reflection still connected via space to any god.
At some level of thought on good and evil it would be possible to think of "humans" and any creature before Noah's flood chronologically but prophecy tends to keep this from being the necessary thought for me. One would have to KNOW what rights different living things OUGHT to posses then and that is still unknown.

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