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Brian Member (Idle past 4987 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
The idea behind the OP was for creationsist to present their best evidence for creation, and whatever they think is the best evidence is fine.
One thing that has developed out of this is just how poor the evidence is when wishing to use it to convince others that creation is true. Maybe creationists should take a step back and realise just how poor their position is scientifically. So far all we have had are philosophical arguments, most of which are badly flawed. Is there really a battle between evolution and creation because I can only see one side providing any evidence of any scientific value?
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4744 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
If you say that is what you think is the best evidence for creationism I can only disagree by calling you a fibber.
Brian, I think the best evidence for creationism is the scar I have over my right eye caused by a badly preformed trampoline stunt back in 1972. But then again, you didn't ask me because I'm not daft enough to be a creationist. But it's as good as anything I've read so far. Edited by lyx2no, : Mistype. Kindly Everyone deserves a neatly dug grave. It is the timing that's in dispute. One hot lesbian.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
lyx2no writes: f you say that is what you think is the best evidence for creationism I can only disagree by calling you a fibber. Which post did I say: 'the best evidence for creationism' in. I have continually said: If it did not exist as Hawking says and has a beginning as Hawking and Peebles say, it had to be brought into existence by some means. "If the universe had a beginning/origin, It had to be created. (brought into being/existence) That is the best evidence for creation." "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 7.7 |
"If the universe had a beginning/origin, It had to be created. (brought into being/existence) That is the best evidence for creation." "If an earthquake had a beginning/origin, it had to be created (brought into being/existence) That is the best evidence for creation." Not all things need to be created, ICANT. You havent in any way shown that they do. All you've done is repeat the same failure to comprehend the concept of time as it applies to the universe, and make a bare assertion with no evidence at all.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Brian, I think the best evidence for creationism is the scar I have over my right eye caused by a badly preformed trampoline stunt back in 1972. Wow: I have a scar over my right eye caused by a screen door swinging open in ~1950-1955 ... ... (faint) (cue apocalypse music) Edited by RAZD, : . by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4143 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
quote: Well if they did that, they wouldn't be creationists. There is no empirical evidence for creation. In fact, YEC has problems that extend well into the philosophical, namely that God must be a giant liar.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4987 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
There is no empirical evidence for creation. Any idea what the 'creation museum' use for exhibits?
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2504 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
ICANT writes: Existence has no beginning and no end. Only the things that exist in existence has a beginning and end. What you need to understand is that existence cannot require a creator, obviously, because if so, nothing could exist. Therefore, the existence of the universe or anything else cannot in itself be evidence for creationism, as things can provably exist without creators. What this means is that the only evidence presented in this thread for creationism (apart from my fossil jokes) is not actually evidence for creationism at all. It seems that there is none.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4987 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Brian, I think the best evidence for creationism is the scar I have over my right eye caused by a badly preformed trampoline stunt back in 1972. Talking about scars, here's an argument against creation. In 2000 I had the anterior cruciate ligament in me left knee reconstructed by using a length of tendon taken from the middle of the patellar tendon of my left knee, the surgeon said that the new 'ligament' is far stronger than a normal cruciate ligament. So why did God not use the same stuff that patellar tendons are made of to make our cruciates?
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3671 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
And there was nonexistence 14 billion years ago as you say. I certainly did not say this, as it is nonsense. The Universe possibly has a 'beginning' 14 billion years ago, i.e. there is a minimum value to the time dimension. To then say that therefore there was nonexistence 14.00001 billion years ago is complete lunacy. You are trying to claim that the earth does not exist north of the north pole. The beginning is not a point of creation, in the same way the north pole is not an edge of the world. And here we are back to very first concepts we tried to explain to you last year, and we do not seem to have progressed any further. I think this tediously repetitive digression has taken up enough of Brian's thread, so I shall bow out now. Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.
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Admin Director Posts: 13038 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
You lost your posting permissions in the [forum=-2] forum for arguing just as you are here. Please cease participation in this thread.
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4143 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
You don't know?
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Syamsu  Suspended Member (Idle past 5617 days) Posts: 1914 From: amsterdam Joined: |
BCS, The Chartered Institute for IT | BCS
2. Anticipation is Nowhere and its Logic is Nothing (Michael A. Heather & B. Nick Rossiter) "However anticipation seems to assume a more fundamental form of nothing. Before both mathematics and physics lies logic. There is the logic of nothing." So there's a few things you need to understand for creationism, which are not understood in regular science. - freedom- the future, the present - decision - real time as distinguished from relative time - nothing - the spiritual realm Now obviously the main objection of atheists is with the spiritual realm, but that is a logical neccesity following from freedom. The spiritual realm is simply a name for what does the deciding. It is a logical construct that works. We can only know this spiritual realm by decision, so it is neccesarily subjective what is in there. Is it love, or hate, is it the devil or God? The question can only be answered with a decision. Creationism is the right way to do science, because otherwise you will end up with an "objective" pseudoscience of good and evil. So when you say you object to faith in God because of lack of evidence, you are equally saying good and evil are matters of scientific fact, not of faith.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3075 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
So, creationists, what do you consider to be the best evidence for creation and why? Genesis biological cosmogony advocates that living things, past and present, owe their existence in reality to special creation, that is, Divine power intruding into reality causing their existence or creation ex materia. The best evidence of these claims is observation: the biological world looks specially created; followed by the observation of design and organized complexity seen in each organism and in nature as a whole. The latter phenomena says Divine power is operating in reality, corroborating special creation. Ray
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
The best evidence of these claims is observation: the biological world looks specially created; followed by the observation of design and organized complexity seen in each organism and in nature as a whole. The biological world only looks created to those who a priori already believe in creationism. To those who actually look at the evidence and follow the scientific method, descent with modification explains everything we see quite well. There is no need to invent various gods and demons to explain natural phenomena when the very observation you advocate leads to perfectly adequate explanations. Edited by Coyote, : coding error Edited by Coyote, : No reason given.
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