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Coragyps
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Message 116 of 312 (476911)
07-28-2008 1:51 PM 		Reply to: Message 115 by AlphaOmegakid
07-28-2008 1:45 PM

Re: CITATIONS for the Catholic Scientist
Science 9 February 1951 113: 137-142
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Do you really think science has not progressed since I was 3 1/2 years old, AOK? Really?
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07-28-2008 5:57 PM 		Reply to: Message 118 by AlphaOmegakid
07-28-2008 4:46 PM

Re: CITATIONS for the Catholic Scientist
That there has been some limitation to the LoB in the last 50 years?
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The freakin' Miller-Urey experiment hadn't even been run in 1951!! We didn't know that carbonyl sulfide catalyzed the polymerization of amino acids until maybe three years ago! There have been many hundreds of papers published since I entered kindergarten that show all sorts of pathways to abiogenesis.
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And Pasteur is still dead.
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07-28-2008 6:28 PM 		Reply to: Message 122 by AlphaOmegakid
07-28-2008 6:17 PM

Re: CITATIONS for the Catholic Scientist
What we actually observe is that there is more than chemical reactions to have life.
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Where has that been "actually observed," AOK? I don't think you can tell me - because that hasn't been observed.
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Message 129 of 312 (476951)
07-28-2008 9:50 PM 		Reply to: Message 128 by Fosdick
07-28-2008 8:27 PM

Re: More than chemical reactions
A DNA molecule is still a DNA molecule, even if its nucleotides are rearranged.
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Well, yes and no. DNA is a junkbasket name for a roughly infinite family of polymers of nucleotides. Each individual DNA strand can be named as its own unique molecule, just as each protein can be named either by a trivial name like "hemoglobin" or a very specific name like "glycilphenylalanylserylglutamylalanylalanyl....................................lysine. With DNA you normally see letters - A, G, C, and T - because it takes less ink.
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A car is still a car, but a Yugo and a Maserati don't share all their functions.
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Edited by Coragyps, : typo
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Coragyps
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07-31-2008 6:02 PM 		Reply to: Message 183 by AlphaOmegakid
07-31-2008 4:44 PM

Re: Everyone's right but AlphaOmegakid!
M-U produced a racemic mixture of amino acids and carcinogenic tar.
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...my emphasis.
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Got a cite, AOK? Do you poison a lot of wells?
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08-05-2008 2:22 PM 		Reply to: Message 220 by AlphaOmegakid
08-05-2008 1:34 PM

Re: Another nice example
All viruses are agents of death.
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Like all carnivores and insectivores? Doesn't that make, say, a tiger shark something that's not alive?
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Who gives a shit if many viruses kill cells? It's another way to make a living that isn't autotrophy.
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