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Rrhain
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Message 286 of 333 (477885)
08-08-2008 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by Modulous
08-08-2008 8:15 AM


Modulous responds to me:
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quote:
Huh? "Natural barrier" to what? Spell it out, Modulous. Just what is it you think gay people do that straight people don't?
I'm a racist homophobe, why should I need to 'spell' anything out to?
Huh? I don't recall saying anything about you. All I did was ask you to spell out what you're trying to say.
Hint: I get what you're trying to say. Hoot Mon, on the other hand, is being evasive. So by you using his terms, he gets to keep not saying what it is he's talking about.
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You just decided to ignore the bits
Incorrect. It was crystal clear. It would help if you would respond to what I actually say and not what you wish I would have said.
Hoot Mon has a real reason why he doesn't want gay people to have the same rights as straight people, but he won't actually say what it is. He'll continue to avoid and evade. I'm trying to get him to spell it out. You're using his evasive terminology, so I'd like somebody to actually say it rather than playing coy.
quote:
I was mocking Hoot Mon's "because nature provides them with the marriageable hitching equipment" argument
As was I. Exactly what is this "marriageable hitching equipment"? Somebody needs to spell it out. It's Hoot Mon's term. He needs to be specific about what it means.
Not everything is about you, Modulous.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 287 of 333 (477886)
08-08-2008 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by Fosdick
08-08-2008 2:18 PM


Hoot Mon responds to me:
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Just what do you think bestial men do to sheep that straight people don't do?
Get consent.
Now, spell it out. "Natural barrier" to what?

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Fosdick 
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Message 288 of 333 (477890)
08-08-2008 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by Rrhain
08-08-2008 6:51 PM


What's wrong with wives, anyway?
Rrhain, let me turn this around to serve your desire for defining boundaries. What do straight people do that gays don't?
Possible answers: Have intercourse with members of the opposite sex. Get married and have children. Let the wives have coffee in the morning with the other ladies in the neighborhood while their husbands are off at work?
btw: What happens to the wives when two men get "married"? Wives would seem to be terribly discriminated against, wouldn't you say? What do gay men have against wives, anyway? Wives are real people too, you know, who just happen to be women married to real men. Maybe the wives need to come out of the closet and demand special laws to protect their titular marriages from being stolen by gay people who hate them.
”HM
Edited by Hoot Mon, : Always looking for better ways to help Rrhain out.

If you got some quince, Pussycat, I got a runcible spoon.

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Message 289 of 333 (477894)
08-08-2008 7:49 PM


Imagining a gay POTUS
Can you imagine a gay married man being elected POTUS? What would his partner be called? "The First Gay Gentleman"? Can you imagine the First Family hosting a dinner for OPEC officials to get them to lower their oil prices? Can you imagine the First Family hosting a dinner for the Pope to get him to relax his opposition to birth control? What would a gay POTUS say to the rest of the world? And why should there be anything wrong with that?
The threshold of bigotry is a slippery slope.
”HM

If you got some quince, Pussycat, I got a runcible spoon.

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Rrhain
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Message 290 of 333 (477895)
08-08-2008 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Fosdick
08-08-2008 7:28 PM


Hoot Mon responds to me:
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let me turn this around
No, let's not. You're the one saying that gay people should be denied the same rights as straight people. Therefore, you are the one who needs to explicitly state what it is that gay people do that straight people don't that would be the basis for denying them their rights.
Spell it out.
quote:
Possible answers: Have intercourse with members of the opposite sex.
So marriage is about penis-vagina sex? How do you reconcile that with Lawrence v. Texas? Was it wrongly decided?
quote:
What happens to the wives when two men get "married"?
Who said there needs to be a "wife"? What is it about marriage that requires the participants be of opposite sex? Only women can transfer property to men? Only men can sponsor women for citizenship?
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Wives would seem to be terribly discriminated against, wouldn't you say?
Huh? What is it about two men getting married that prevents a woman from getting married?
Be specific.
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Wives are real people too, you know, who just happen to be women married to real men.
Huh? Gay people aren't real? Then what on earth are you complaining about?
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Maybe the wives need to come out of the closet and demand special laws to protect their titular marriages from being stolen by gay people who hate them.
Huh? How does two people getting married get interpreted to mean they hate marriage? It would seem to be the opposite: People who hate marriage would not get married.
We're back to the question you never answer: How does the neighbor's marriage affect you? But now we've got a new fantasy of yours: Somehow the neighbor's marriage means you can't get married. How does that happen?
Be specific.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Fosdick 
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Message 291 of 333 (477896)
08-08-2008 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by Rrhain
08-08-2008 7:52 PM


What is it about two men getting married that prevents a woman from getting married?
What is it about hetero marriage that prevents a gay man from marrying a woman?
Edited by Hoot Mon, : Rrhain should be grateful for my efforts to aid his learning.

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Rrhain
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Message 292 of 333 (477898)
08-08-2008 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by Fosdick
08-08-2008 7:49 PM


Hoot Mon writes:
quote:
Can you imagine a gay married man being elected POTUS? What would his partner be called? "The First Gay Gentleman"?
Huh? That's your argument? Calling the husband of an executive the "First Gentleman" is too difficult? What does the sex of the executive have to do with anything? We should deny rights to people in this country on the off chance that they become the leader of the country and you want to giggle?
quote:
Can you imagine the First Family hosting a dinner for OPEC officials to get them to lower their oil prices?
Huh? That's your argument? We should deny rights to people in this country on the off chance that they become the leader of the country and other countries decide they don't like us?
Then why on earth do we allow women to vote? Why do we allow black people to get married?
quote:
Can you imagine the First Family hosting a dinner for the Pope to get him to relax his opposition to birth control?
Huh? That's your argument? We should deny rights to people in this country on the off chance that they become the leader of the country and other countries decide they don't like us?
Then why on earth do we allow Protestants to vote? According to you, we're beholden to the Pope.
quote:
What would a gay POTUS say to the rest of the world?
"Hello."
What would you think they would say? We should deny rights to people in this country on the off chance that they become the leader of the country and other countries decide they don't like us?
Then how on earth did Bush become President?
By the way, you do know about James Hormel (link 1, link 2), yes? US Ambassador? His confirmation was held up in the Senate because he was gay. This despite the fact that the country he was going to was begging the US to let them have him for the ambassadorship.
It would seem the world doesn't have the same problems you do.
quote:
And why should there be anything wrong with that?
Huh? That's your argument? We should deny rights to people in this country on the off chance that they become the leader of the country and other countries decide they don't like us?
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Added 2 James Hormel links.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 293 of 333 (477905)
08-09-2008 5:09 AM
Reply to: Message 291 by Fosdick
08-08-2008 8:05 PM


Hoot Mon responds to me:
quote:
What is it about hetero marriage that prevents a gay man from marrying a woman?
"What is it about same-race marriage that prevents a black person from marrying a black person?"
If it's a crap argument when applied to race, why does it suddenly gain legitimacy when applied to sexual orientation?
Edited by Rrhain, : No reason given.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Fosdick 
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Message 294 of 333 (477938)
08-09-2008 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by Rrhain
08-09-2008 5:09 AM


Why gay men are anti-wifehood bigots
Rrhain writes:
If it's a crap argument when applied to race, why does it suddenly gain legitimacy when applied to sexual orientation?
What about the wife who is necessary to make a married couple? Shouldn't every marriage include at least one wife? Would you agree that all wives are necessarily married to their husbands? Would you agree that all wives are sexed female and all husbands male? Don't you think there ought to be a law that requires every marriage to include one or more wives. Who ever heard of a marriage without a wife?
Gay-marriage advocates, by their own assertions, are anti-wifehood. Gay men are out to dispense with the need for wives, which is tantamount to anti-marriage, and it ought to be identified as such on the threshold of bigotry.
”HM

If you got some quince, Pussycat, I got a runcible spoon.

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Rrhain
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Message 295 of 333 (477941)
08-09-2008 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by Fosdick
08-09-2008 7:52 PM


Hoot Mon writes:
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What about the wife who is necessary to make a married couple?
Why? What in the marriage contract requires one of the participants to be a woman? Only women can transfer property to a spouse? Only women can sponsor a spouse for citizenship? Only women can be head of household?
Be specific.
And how does this marriage prevent that marriage from happening? Why would two men getting married stop a woman from getting married?
Be specific.
quote:
Shouldn't every marriage include at least one wife?
Why? What in the marriage contract requires one of the participants to be a woman? Only women can be established as conservators? Only a woman can apply for survivor's benefits?
Be specific.
And how does this marriage prevent that marriage from happening? Why would two men getting married stop a woman from getting married?
Be specific.
quote:
Would you agree that all wives are necessarily married to their husbands?
Of course not. Some are married to their wives.
quote:
Would you agree that all wives are sexed female and all husbands male?
Indeed. But so what? You are assuming that a marriage requires a male and a female, but you haven't explained why. What in the marriage contract requires the couple be of opposite sex? Only women can tansfer property to men? Only men can sponsor women for citizenship?
Be specific.
And how does this marriage prevent that marriage from happening? Why would two men getting married stop a woman from getting married?
Be specific.
quote:
Don't you think there ought to be a law that requires every marriage to include one or more wives.
Why? What in the marriage contract requires there to be a woman?
And why would two men getting married deny a woman the right to get married?
quote:
Who ever heard of a marriage without a wife?
Gay men, at least.
quote:
Gay-marriage advocates, by their own assertions, are anti-wifehood.
Huh? If you have two men and two women, how is there any lack of husbands or wives if the two men marry and the two women marry?
How does same-sex marriage prevent someone from marrying?
quote:
Gay men are out to dispense with the need for wives, which is tantamount to anti-marriage
Huh? How does a couple getting married become a declaration of anti-marriage? How does the neighbor's marriage affect you? You can't get married if they do?
quote:
it ought to be identified as such on the threshold of bigotry.
Huh? Bigotry is denying to others that which you demand for yourself. How does equality in marriage without regard to the sex of the participants deny opposite-sex couples from marrying?

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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lyx2no
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Message 296 of 333 (477944)
08-09-2008 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by Fosdick
08-09-2008 7:52 PM


Re: Why gay men are anti-wifehood bigots
Gay-marriage advocates, by their own assertions, are anti-wifehood.
It is not a prerequisite for a Gay rights advocate to be a Gay male. Some are straight males. Some are wives. Some are hot lesbians. Some are idiots. So there's room for you.

Kindly
Were Christians ever to speak in non-ambiguous terms and listen with critical ears there would soon be no Christians for lack of agreement as to God plan.

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Jaderis
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Message 297 of 333 (477948)
08-10-2008 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 294 by Fosdick
08-09-2008 7:52 PM


Re: Why gay men are anti-wifehood bigots
Gay-marriage advocates, by their own assertions, are anti-wifehood. Gay men are out to dispense with the need for wives, which is tantamount to anti-marriage, and it ought to be identified as such on the threshold of bigotry.
Um...you do realize that lesbians also have a stake in the gay marriage fight, don't you?
You do realize that if lesbians are allowed to get married to each other then even MORE wives will be "created" than without it, don't you? That gay marriage would produce the larger number of wives, barring forced marriage, of course, right?
Now who is "anti-wifehood?"
It's funny how many of the homophobes tend to forget the lesbians in their tirades...it's quite telling as well.

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
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Message 298 of 333 (477952)
08-10-2008 1:55 AM
Reply to: Message 297 by Jaderis
08-10-2008 12:09 AM


Re: Why gay men are anti-wifehood bigots
Jaderis writes:
It's funny how many of the homophobes tend to forget the lesbians in their tirades...it's quite telling as well.
Just a little side note. As I understand it, pretty much both sides of the debate tend to forget the lesbians as well. In real life, it's the lesbians that are fighting more than anyone else for gay rights. But in conversation, people always think of the gay men.

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Fosdick 
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Message 299 of 333 (477970)
08-10-2008 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 296 by lyx2no
08-09-2008 9:13 PM


Re: Why gay men are anti-wifehood bigots
lyx2no writes:
I therefore think that should not be a consideration, or at least, not a great consideration.
Do lesbians have wives? How could you tell? And how do two gay men decide who is the wife? Do they arm wrestle? Draw straws?
”HM

If you got some quince, Pussycat, I got a runcible spoon.

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Fosdick 
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Message 300 of 333 (477972)
08-10-2008 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 297 by Jaderis
08-10-2008 12:09 AM


Re: Why gay men are anti-wifehood bigots
jedaris writes:
You do realize that if lesbians are allowed to get married to each other then even MORE wives will be "created" than without it, don't you? That gay marriage would produce the larger number of wives, barring forced marriage, of course, right?
So when two lesbians get married are there two wives? If not, then who gets to the husband?
The threshold of bigotry is a complicated place with all these inverted homosexuals pretending to be wives.
If Judy is the wife of Jim, and Chuck is the wife of Larry, then we will have to teach our children to play house differently. After all, we don't want no stinkin' bigots at their make-believe tea parties.
”HM

If you got some quince, Pussycat, I got a runcible spoon.

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